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Originally posted by SuzianneSimplicity's ultimately the key. I understand this going in modus operandi; the intent of this thread though is to explore both pro and con positions and, in doing so, to avoid a rush to judgment. As with brainstorming, the first phase encourages off the wall, blue sky ideas without negative criticism; doing so stimulates the thought process of others in the room. Then, a hard nosed critique phase which sifts out any irrational crap or emotional fluff while focusing on the gut that's real. Ok?
Perhaps.
I just tend towards simplicity, is all.
And I know I may regret saying this, but I've never really been one for mental gymnastics. Yes, I have imagination, but I also don't consider God and "fiction" getting along, either. They both have their place, but perhaps "never the twain shall meet".
Originally posted by SuzianneMy read is that Wilde is delineating ritual without reality from the authenticity of faith in a supernatural being.
I have never really understood this quote. Maybe it's popular with the anti-"religion" (name only) crowd, or those who claim Christianity is not a religion. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.
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Originally posted by RJHindsRon, let's not unintentionally stifle the expression of anyone's present point of view which is all any of us have. Thanks.
You atheists see self-worth in coming from a premordial soup by accident. We Christians see our self-worth in coming from humans created on purpose in the image of God. 😏
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Originally posted by KellyJayKelly, would you agree that God's grace plan offers the gift of salvation at the moment of faith alone in Christ alone?
The sad thing is in my opinion this line of questioning, I think it displays
God in a very shallow light and really doesn't do anything towards meeting
God, since there are many who do believe in God who are going to go to
Hell, because they believe yet reject Him. The end goal has never been in
my opinion just believe there is a god, the end goal is God with us, that is
done only on God's terms.
Originally posted by Suzianneif "A" doesn't do it "B" will?
Prophecy WILL be resolved, by someone.
If not one person, then another.
That means B doesn't have free will (his destiny is determined by A's action/inaction.
If you allow "B" free will and he doesn't do it is left to "C" do it - he
therefore does not have free will.
Et cetera.
Originally posted by wolfgang59Ye of no faith. God can fulfill prophecy while giving all free will. 😏
if "A" doesn't do it "B" will?
That means B doesn't have free will (his destiny is determined by A's action/inaction.
If you allow "B" free will and he doesn't do it is left to "C" do it - he
therefore does not have free will.
Et cetera.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI am familiar with Pascals wager. You however do not seem to be. Which is odd given that this is not the first time you have started a thread on the topic.
twhitehead, we're examining an obverse possibility/counterpart hypothetical.
Are you willing to discuss, and possibly resolve, all the well known problems with Pascals Wager, or are you going to, as per your tradition, ignore any questions you don't like regarding the same?
If you are open to a reasonable honest discussion, then so am I. If you are just planning to keep resposting the OP ad infinitum whilst ignoring all reasonable responses, then enjoy your trolling but don't expect much more from me.
Originally posted by lemon limePascal, as with many scientists/philosophers was battling with a conflict between his learning and his faith. He was trying hard to justify his faith to himself and was willing to abandon reason whilst attempting to do so. He is far from unique in this regard.
Pascal was a philosopher and mathematician, so I think his wager was more of an intellectual exercise than anything else.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThere is only one way to God and that his through His Son Jesus Christ by
Kelly, would you agree that God's grace plan offers the gift of salvation at the moment of faith alone in Christ alone?
the salvation He gives us, through the work Jesus did. So yes, salvation is
a mighty gift from God, not one we can earn only accept.
Originally posted by twhiteheadGrampy Bobby recently admitted he is currently "trolling" the forum ~ he talked about how he's wearing his "troll's shoes". I can't ever remember, not even once, him appearing to want to discuss Pascal's Wager in a genuine or sincere way, and he's brought it up more times than I can remember.
If you are just planning to keep resposting the OP ad infinitum whilst ignoring all reasonable responses, then enjoy your trolling but don't expect much more from me.
Originally posted by twhiteheadOriginally posted by Grampy Bobby (Page 2)
I am familiar with Pascals wager. You however do not seem to be. Which is odd given that this is not the first time you have started a thread on the topic.
Are you willing to discuss, and possibly resolve, all the well known problems with Pascals Wager, or are you going to, as per your tradition, ignore any questions you don't like regarding the same ...[text shortened]... ilst ignoring all reasonable responses, then enjoy your trolling but don't expect much more from me.
googlefudge, criticisms of proof and arguments will follow as part two of the original post. Thanks for the youtubes.