Paul Harvey's view....

Originally posted by kevcvs57
Obviously we saw two different videos based on our different world views. whether the construction of the video is an attempt to get across subliminal connections or a more innocent attempt to look cool it is the most blatantly political message masquerading as a non partisan religious sermon I have seen for a long time.

If I were the devil I would be keeping a seat warm for my man P Harvey.

you can call it what you like, political, religious, innocent or subliminal, it doesn't matter,
you can take anyone of those elements and substantiate empirically.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you can call it what you like, political, religious, innocent or subliminal, it doesn't matter,
you can take anyone of those elements and substantiate empirically.

Go on then.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
actually we have not failed at all under the protection of our God Jehovah to counteract
these evils, but a thread wouldn't be a thread without some dig at the watchtower.

They have to do the dig but then it's expected just as Jesus told us.

Originally posted by kevcvs57
Go on then.

the video itself provides evidence, police dogs in schools, just by way of example.

Originally posted by galveston75
They have to do the dig but then it's expected just as Jesus told us.

if the watchtower wasn't printed RajK, Divejester, Manny would have nothing to bitch
about.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the video itself provides evidence, police dogs in schools, just by way of example.

I am pretty sure the figures support the claim that the UK is more secular than the US but how many police dogs have we got in our schools?

I think the US will have to look at it's wider social and economic culture for many of it's ill's. It glorifies the individual and the individual's pursuit of it's own happiness and wonders why it's large urban areas have a tendency to resemble war zones, plus we are discussing this on the basis that Mr Harvey is not cherry picking to show his Country in the worst possible light.

Originally posted by kevcvs57
I am pretty sure the figures support the claim that the UK is more secular than the US but how many police dogs have we got in our schools?

I think the US will have to look at it's wider social and economic culture for many of it's ill's. It glorifies the individual and the individual's pursuit of it's own happiness and wonders why it's large urban areas ...[text shortened]... asis that Mr Harvey is not cherry picking to show his Country in the worst possible light.

Its not a commentary on British society though is it, at least not the British education
system, yet even here a degeneration has taken place, for example do you recall the
teacher who secretly filmed her class to expose appalling classroom behaviour?
perhaps this may jog your memory,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2009/mar/16/secret-film-teacher-bad-behaviour

All social ills can be traced directly to a lack of spirituality, whether in the US or
anywhere else.

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Thanks and we will....

http://www.watchtower.org/e/t15/article_01.htm

Read and see the happiness that you yourself could have.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its not a commentary on British society though is it, at least not the British education
system, yet even here a degeneration has taken place, for example do you recall the
teacher who secretly filmed her class to expose appalling classroom behaviour?
perhaps this may jog your memory,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2009/mar/16/secret- ...[text shortened]... ial ills can be traced directly to a lack of spirituality, whether in the US or
anywhere else.

How and when did you show that this is the result of a lack of religion or spirituality? I remember Thatcher the supporter of 'traditional values' declaring that there was no such thing as society, these children could be the result of the move toward the egocentric values permeating through the culture and symbolised by the yuppie phenomenon.

If you are citing religion as a socially cohesive agent then there might be a case, however you Know the west of Scotland better than me and must be aware that this can be a double edged sword.

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And I do.

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By super whack jobs yes LOL 🙂




Manny

Originally posted by galveston75
Thanks and we will....

http://www.watchtower.org/e/t15/article_01.htm

Read and see the happiness that you yourself could have.

Most people probably think so. Today's realities are war, crime, hunger, sickness, aging—to mention just a few. Yet there is reason for hope. Looking to the future, the Bible tells of a "new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to [God's] promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell."—2 Peter 3:13; Isaiah 65:17.

These "new heavens" and "new earth," according to the Bible, are not a new material heavens or new literal earth. The physical earth and heavens were made perfect, and the Bible shows they will remain forever. (Psalm 89:36, 37; 104:5) The "new earth" will be a righteous society of people living on earth, and the "new heavens" will be a perfect heavenly kingdom, or government, that will rule over this earthly society of people. But is it realistic to believe that "a new earth," or glorious new world, is possible?


If this New Heavens is going to be this same old Earth then why does the writter in the book of 2 Peter even mention this

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up

Manny

PS:
I agree however both the UK and the US have become very secular

Originally posted by kevcvs57
How and when did you show that this is the result of a lack of religion or spirituality? I remember Thatcher the supporter of 'traditional values' declaring that there was no such thing as society, these children could be the result of the move toward the egocentric values permeating through the culture and symbolised by the yuppie phenomenon.

If you are ...[text shortened]... w the west of Scotland better than me and must be aware that this can be a double edged sword.

it would be a rather routine exercise to demonstrate that the Bible encourages
subjection to authority rather than a rebellious attitude towards it, for example,

(Romans 13:5) . . .There is therefore compelling reason for you people to be in
subjection, not only on account of that wrath but also on account of your
conscience. . .

(Philippians 2:3-4) . . .doing nothing out of contentiousness or out of egotism, but
with lowliness of mind considering that the others are superior to you,  keeping an
eye, not in personal interest upon just your own matters, but also in personal
interest upon those of the others.

clearly a failure to inculcate such spiritual and moral values has resulted in an
environment of rebellion and lack of respect for authority, in this instance, towards
teachers. Its easy to blame something else, the mesim of the Thatcher years, and
believe me I am no fan of her policies (i used to count the milk cartons for my class
when i was 7 or 8 until she removed them) but the fact of the matter is,
responsibility rests with parents.

I am not citing religion as a cohesive social force, for religion is not synonymous
with spirituality, but the inculcation of spiritual concepts and principles, mainly
Christian and biblical.