Originally posted by SuzianneCouldn't agree with you more.
Romans does continue to clarify points made in previous chapters. Your quote is timely.
As I said, some people have accused me of not presenting scripture I agree with which showcases why I believe as I do. I believe this chapter covers, in simple enough language (even though I do prefer the KJV), a counter to the twisted language some in this forum ha ...[text shortened]... aggrandizement. They count this as "righteousness" when it is nothing but "self-righteousness".
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeTotally missing my point, as well as isolating and twisting the Word to try to make it mean what you want it to mean. I do understand why you've 'thrown in' with the Christians who bear false witness of their own brothers; because they also wrongly paint 'Gentiles' (whom we can call atheists or non-believers in this forum) as able to gain the kingdom of God even though they have NO faith. This is what is wrong and unbiblical here.
Indeed. But then this thread has so far been rather thin on Gentiles.
I know some theists would like to denigrate the righteousness of non-believers and elevate their own, but not only is this erroneous, it isn't even biblical.
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Fath ...[text shortened]... re to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness." (Matthew 7:21-23)
Originally posted by EladarAnd you tend to make a career out of missing the point, as usual.
Gentiles are non Jews. Not sure why amyone would change the definition to fit a Satanic position. But hey, why should I be surprised that a follower of Satan would lie?
And Paul's position is satanic? Good to know that you think so. Thanks for the warning not to take anything you say seriously.
Originally posted by Eladar"Gentiles are non Jews. Not sure why anyone would change the definition to fit a Satanic position. But hey, why should I be surprised that a follower of Satan would lie?" said Lucifer as he poked somebody with a fiery pitchfork.
Gentiles are non Jews. Not sure why amyone would change the definition to fit a Satanic position. But hey, why should I be surprised that a follower of Satan would lie?
Originally posted by SuzianneThe righteous will be saved.
Totally missing my point, as well as isolating and twisting the Word to try to make it mean what you want it to mean. I do understand why you've 'thrown in' with the Christians who bear false witness of their own brothers; because they also wrongly paint 'Gentiles' (whom we can call atheists or non-believers in this forum) as able to gain the kingdom of God even though they have NO faith. This is what is wrong and unbiblical here.
No way this excludes my elderly (atheist) neighbour who has spent her entire life caring for others and adheres to God's law, written on her heart.
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeGalatians 3:11
The righteous will be saved.
No way this excludes my elderly (atheist) neighbour who has spent her entire life caring for others and adheres to God's law, written on her heart.
"Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
Originally posted by dj2beckerA few verses down
Galatians 3:11
"Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
So if you still sin after Christ justified you then you are making Christ a minister of sin.
Let me know if you need me to quote what Paul said about Christians who continue to sin
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeWhat do you think the words, "...I never knew you..." mean? We all get doing good, we
Indeed. But then this thread has so far been rather thin on Gentiles.
I know some theists would like to denigrate the righteousness of non-believers and elevate their own, but not only is this erroneous, it isn't even biblical.
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Fath ...[text shortened]... re to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness." (Matthew 7:21-23)
can also see that these people did some good works, that wasn't denied either.
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Originally posted by Rajk999You obviously have to repent from your sin, but you are justified by faith and not by works.
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17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
So if you still sin after Christ justified you then you are making Christ a minister of sin.
Let me know if you need me to quote what Paul said about Christians who continue to sin
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeNo way? How do you know? As I pointed out to you earlier we have all sinned, everyone
The righteous will be saved.
No way this excludes my elderly (atheist) neighbour who has spent her entire life caring for others and adheres to God's law, written on her heart.
of us, so when we compare ourselves to ourselves we are only looking at another person
who is also a sinner. Since that is the case, what does it matter if they are better than the
one next to them, since both have sin in their lives?
2 Corinthians 10:
12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
Originally posted by KellyJayYou have an ideology which allows you to tell yourself that it doesn't matter if you "sin". Ghost of a Duke's elderly neighbour doesn't. So, hey presto, what does "sin" matter, if you can just think yourself into immortality?
No way? How do you know? As I pointed out to you earlier we have all sinned, everyone of us, so when we compare ourselves to ourselves we are only looking at another person who is also a sinner. Since that is the case, what does it matter if they are better than the one next to them, since both have sin in their lives?
Originally posted by KellyJayWhere did Ghost of a Duke say his elderly neighbour "commends" himself or "measures" himself?
2 Corinthians 10:
12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.