Pope died

Originally posted by Maustrauser
How much pain did he inflict on the world. Can we have some balance in this debate please? No man or woman is perfect or all good. Even God's representative on earth. How many people has Karol Wojtyla condemed to death by AIDS for his ludicrous views on condom use?

Who knows. Millions or tens of millions?

I will have to agree with you on this.

But also it is the persons fault for having sex with out protection and outside of marriage, so it is their own fault if they get Aids.

jeez, Give da old fella at least time to get planted b4 yall P on his grave.
Whatever you think about the man, it can wait.

Originally posted by RBHILL
I will have to agree with you on this.

But also it is the persons fault for having sex with out protection and outside of marriage, so it is their own fault if they get Aids.

What about the people who got Aids within marriage - is that their own fault too?

In these days of corporate sponsorship, I'm betting on Cardinal Sicola to succeed him.

Good forum picture Redmike!!!!!!!

since when did popes keep the contents of their cassocks to themselves?

Originally posted by RBHILL
I will have to agree with you on this.

But also it is the persons fault for having sex with out protection and outside of marriage, so it is their own fault if they get Aids.

What a Christian approach. You must be proud of yourself.

Originally posted by frogstomp
jeez, Give da old fella at least time to get planted b4 yall P on his grave.
Whatever you think about the man, it can wait.

I disagree.

I think rather than praising a person to their hilt on their death and then waiting for reality to sink in later, a realistic eulogy is one that shows a person's true greatness and their true failings. I am happy to admit that the Pope did some great things, but his great peacemaking moves were tempered by his archaic views on morality.

The Pope was 'just a man' and all men have failings. This revelation should upset nobody.

Originally posted by Maustrauser
I disagree.

I think rather than praising a person to their hilt on their death and then waiting for reality to sink in later, a realistic eulogy is one that shows a person's true greatness and their true failings. I am happy to admit that the Pope did some great things, but his great peacemaking moves were tempered by his archaic views on morality. ...[text shortened]...

The Pope was 'just a man' and all men have failings. This revelation should upset nobody.

It still is rather customary to let a man be burried , sort of a moratorium.

No man is an Iland, intire of itselfe; every man
is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine;
if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe
is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as
well as if a Manor of thy friends or of thine
owne were; any mans death diminishes me,
because I am involved in Mankinde;
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.
......John Donne,,,,

Originally posted by frogstomp
jeez, Give da old fella at least time to get planted b4 yall P on his grave.
Whatever you think about the man, it can wait.

uh oh.. i can see it now.. a "Whos gunna pee on the popes sighn up list" thread.. cmon.. whos gunna be the one....

Originally posted by xxxenophobe
uh oh.. i can see it now.. a "Whos gunna pee on the popes sighn up list" thread.. cmon.. whos gunna be the one....

not me lol

cmon ... you know you want it...

dont make me do it............. im teln ya.......

Originally posted by xxxenophobe
dont make me do it............. im teln ya.......

not me I tell ya ,,,,I'm busy thinking non-thoughts

Originally posted by Maustrauser
I disagree.

I think rather than praising a person to their hilt on their death and then waiting for reality to sink in later, a realistic eulogy is one that shows a person's true greatness and their true failings. I am happy to admit that the Pope did some great things, but his great peacemaking moves were tempered by his archaic views on morality. ...[text shortened]...

The Pope was 'just a man' and all men have failings. This revelation should upset nobody.

The Pope's views on morality were nothing new - he just reiterated what's been part of the infallible doctrine of the Church for centuries. No Pope - past, present or future - can or will change those teachings.