Originally posted by robbie carrobiehttp://carm.org/faithful-and-discreet-slave
we are not inspired prophets, we have never claimed to be inspired prophets, we have merely sought to understand prophecies ALREADY WRITTEN, what is more where is your reference that the watchtower claimed to be inspired of God, just another big fat falsehood that you people like to promulgate, like 'the leaders of jehovahs witnesses are greedy and ...[text shortened]... m, they would die in their ignorance. Yes truly by their works, you will recognise those men.
If you care to even look at the link. Your founder indeed did say that the bible could only be understood through his Watch Tower and well He controlled what was written in said Watch Tower. Russell claimed this no doubt. It's obvious that the watch tower is from man and not God. Just the failed prophecy alone is enough. The God of the Watch Tower is stupid then!! He is also a liar!!
Manny
Knowing the Bible is possible only through the Watchtower organization
"Praise Jehovah with His People"
Watchtower, 7/1/1973, p. 401-2
"Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book," (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402).
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WHY APPRECIATE GOD'S ORGANIZATION
For one thing, Jesus' anointed followers, who are part of Jehovah's earthly organization, are "ambassadors substituting for Christ." Their companions with earthly hopes also serve the interests of the Kingdom. (2 Cor. 5:20) Mind you, they are not ambassadors and envoys of a mere human government and of sinful rulers. They represent Jehovah, his exalted spirit king Jesus Christ and the mighty kingdom of God. What an inestimable privilege! Of course, to serve and praise the Universal Sovereign, one must associate with the organization of Jehovah's Christian witnesses.
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Consider, too, the fact that Jehovah's organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God's holy spirit or active force. (Zech. 4:6) Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book. Many persons of the world are very intelligent, capable of understanding complex matters. They can read the Holy Scriptures, but they cannot understand their deep meaning. Yet God's people can comprehend such spiritual things. Why? Not because of special intelligence on their part, but as the apostle Paul declared: "For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God." (1 Cor. 2:10) Jesus Christ praised his heavenly Father for 'hiding such things from the wise and intellectual ones but revealing them to babes.' (Matt. 11:25) How very much true Christians appreciate associating with the only organization on earth that understands the "deep things of God"!
Direction by God's spirit enables Jehovah's servants to have divine light in a world of spiritual darkness. (2 Cor. 4:4) For instance, long ago they understood that 1914 C.E. would mark the end of the Gentile Times or "appointed times of the nations," during which the Gentile nations were allowed uninterrupted rulership of the earth. (Luke 21:24) This 2,520-year period began with the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple by the Babylonians in the late seventh century B.C.E. For example, Zion's Watch Tower of March 1880 had declared: "'The Times of the Gentiles' extend to 1914, and the heavenly kingdom will not have full sway till then." Only God by his holy spirit could have revealed this to those early Bible students so far in advance.
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Manny
Originally posted by menace71we are not prophets, we have never claimed to be inspired prophets, the watchtower is NOT inspired of God, we have originated no prophesy but merely sought to understand prophesy ALREADY WRITTEN.
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If you care to even look at the link. Your founder indeed did say that the bible could only be understood through his Watch Tower and well He controlled what was written in said Watch Tower. Russell claimed this no doubt. It's obvious that the watch tower is from man and not God. Just the failed prophecy alone is enough. The God of the Watch Tower is stupid then!! He is also a liar!!
Manny
Originally posted by menace71exactly where does it state that we are inspired prophets, where does it state that the watchtower is inspired, the year nineteen fourteen is significant because it is based on an appraisal of prophecy ALREADY WRITTEN, either state plainly these things or admit that you are lying, we are not prophets, we have never claimed to be prophets, and the watchtower is not inspired. Where does it state it? nowhere, just a big fat lie fuelled by your prejudice in the same way that you NO EVIDENCE that the leaders of Jehovahs Witnesses were greedy and corrupt, NO EVIDENCE again to back up your second hand and second rate bilge water. Get a grip and try and think for yourself, its not that hard.
Knowing the Bible is possible only through the Watchtower organization
"Praise Jehovah with His People"
Watchtower, 7/1/1973, p. 401-2
"Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book," (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402).
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pag udents so far in advance.
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Manny
What is more if we claim that we alone are serving Gods interests then i believe it, for when was the first otr last time a member of Christendom contacted me willing to spend time looking into the scriptures, trying to determine Gods will, NEVER! IN MY ENTIRE LIFE, so yes, i trully believe that we are the only organisation serving the interests of Christ, if you can point to another, then lets examine it, for i can assure you, is its so called 'christian', it will have innocent blood on its hands!
A faithful slave of God does not make false prophecies
Dismantling the Watchtower claim that it is the faithful and discreet slave is easy. All we need to do is look at the track record of the Watchtower as an organization and see if it has been faithful. Consider the following false prophecies made by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society over the years:
1899 "...the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89.)
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262.)
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time...and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world,' even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?...Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
Manny
Originally posted by menace71so what? i believe it! where does it state that we are inspired prophets? where does it state that the watchtower is inspired? answer, NOWHERE, indeed, if there is another organisation serving the masters interests in reaching out to people with the good news of Gods Kingdom, where is it, for in my lifetime, ive never seen another!
It states your organization and your organization alone can understand the bible.
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Manny
Originally posted by menace71these are not prophesies, they are based on prophecy already written and represent our attempts to understand them?
A faithful slave of God does not make false prophecies
Dismantling the Watchtower claim that it is the faithful and discreet slave is easy. All we need to do is look at the track record of the Watchtower as an organization and see if it has been faithful. Consider the following false prophecies made by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society over the ye ...[text shortened]... nce that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
Manny
where does it state we are inspired prophets, where does it state that the watchtower is inspired, i want to hear you say it?
Originally posted by menace71where does it say we are inspired prophets? its your claim? where does it state that the watchtower is inspired, that is your claim?
Not a very faithful servant then! Spewing false prophecy.
Two options either the Watch Tower is from man or your God is stupid.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71you have showed me nothing of the sort and are now wasting my time. Your claim is that we state that we are inspired prophets, your evidence, NONE. Your claim is that we state the watchtower magazine is inspired, evidence, NONE! Your claim is that these are prophecies, evidence NONE, they are merely attempts to understand prophecy that has already been written, don't waste my time with your unsubstantiated lies again.
I just showed you
There is a long list from the beginning up until present time
showing all of the false prophecy
If you have evidence then so be it, but you have been asked time and again for it and you can produce nothing. WE HAVE NOT STATED THAT WE ARE INSPIRED PROPHETS, THE WATCHTOWER MAGAZINE IS NOT INSPIRED OF GOD, WE ARE MERELY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND PROPHECY ALREADY WRITTEN. You did not even originate these claims yourself, but you had to repeat them like some ventriloquists dummy.
the only claim that we have made is that our organisation is the only one serving the interests of the Christ, if you can provide any evidence of another, then let it be heard, otherwise, waste someone else's time.