@fmf saidWe are not talking about the star wars force here, where we control what God does or doesn't do by acts of our will or the virtue of our faith. It isn't that we have gathered our spiritual force of faith within ourselves, and then God is moved to act; that isn't how it works. He has compassion; the starts and stops in this life happen to us all, the hurt and devastation we all go through He understands. A simple prayer, even admitting I don't believe but help is honest, and I believe even more so than someone who thinks they can call down fire at their words, or whatever else they think they can make God do because they say so.
What is the point of someone praying to the Christian God when they do not believe in the Christian God ?
@kellyjay saidIt would be entirely bogus of me to claim I share these kinds of beliefs you are espousing here.
We are not talking about the star wars force here, where we control what God does or doesn't do by acts of our will or the virtue of our faith. It isn't that we have gathered our spiritual force of faith within ourselves, and then God is moved to act; that isn't how it works. He has compassion; the starts and stops in this life happen to us all, the hurt and devastation we a ...[text shortened]... call down fire at their words, or whatever else they think they can make God do because they say so.
A simple prayer, even admitting I don't believe but help is honest, and I believe even more so than someone who thinks they can call down fire at their words...
A simple prayer would have been "honest"?
@fmf saidHe isn't a genie in the bottle; just because we ask for something doesn't mean He has to give us what we ask for the way we want it; that will always be up to Him. That said, even a no doesn't come without His aid; nothing in this life is permanent; it is all decaying, winding down; the eternal is what matters.
Who is talking about "controlling what God does or doesn't do"?
@fmf saidA cry from the heart, yes.
It would be entirely bogus of me to claim I share these kinds of beliefs you are espousing here.
A simple prayer, even admitting I don't believe but help is honest, and I believe even more so than someone who thinks they can call down fire at their words...
A simple prayer would have been "honest"?
@kellyjay saidYou are talking to me as if I believe in the same Christian God figure as you do. Why are you doing this?
He isn't a genie in the bottle; just because we ask for something doesn't mean He has to give us what we ask for the way we want it; that will always be up to Him. That said, even a no doesn't come without His aid; nothing in this life is permanent; it is all decaying, winding down; the eternal is what matters.
-Removed-Scientists, I would say, are intelligent in their own specialized niches but not necessarily outside of them. And they lack wisdom because any intelligent person - and certainly a person with wisdom - realizes his feelings could be wrong and that God cannot logically be disproven.
Therefore, an atheism lacks intelligence and certainly lacks wisdom
@pb1022 saidI have no idea. There is no credible historical account of the events. There is only Christian literature written decades after what supposedly happened and that was written by people who were consciously creating a new religion.
Why could no one find it back then and disprove the claims of Someone and His followers whom they despised?
@fmf saidThe Gospels are credible and reliable.
I have no idea. There is no credible historical account of the events. There is only Christian literature written decades after what supposedly happened and that was written by people who were consciously creating a new religion.
You ought to look into their trustworthiness before flippantly dismissing them.