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    pro-life, pro-choice... the argument can get bogged down in petty emotional disputes. neither of these is important.

    i'm pro-rights.

    human life begins at conception.
    human rights begins at birth.
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    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    What is the true definition of an abortion?

    Premeditated murder of an innocent!
    According to this definition abortion is okay.

    Please, someone, give me a neutral definition about abortion.
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    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    According to this definition abortion is okay.

    Please, someone, give me a neutral definition about abortion.
    You wish abortion is okay. But I think God and His Christ have a different
    opinion. And that opinion is the one that counts in the end.
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    12 Feb '12 21:101 edit
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    According to this definition abortion is okay.

    Please, someone, give me a neutral definition about abortion.
    Try

    http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2091

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002912.htm

    http://www.medilexicon.com/medicaldictionary.php?t=143

    http://www.emedicinehealth.com/abortion/glossary_em.htm



    This thread would be more likely to give you want you are asking for if it was in Science.



    Also: "He Who Defines the Terms Controls the Argument"

    http://www.justabovesunset.com/id1362.html
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    12 Feb '12 21:18
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You wish abortion is okay. But I think God and His Christ have a different
    opinion. And that opinion is the one that counts in the end.
    So this is just about opinions? That any opinion can be okay?
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    Originally posted by googlefudge
    There is plenty of research that has been done in in many different nations over the years that shows
    that the number of abortions being done isn't really significantly affected by whether or not it is legal.

    There will obviously be some who wont have an abortion because it is illegal, but statistically it doesn't
    seem to make a significant differ ...[text shortened]... ere is in believing things based on faith as opposed to reason and evidence.
    i believe that abortions should be made illegal.
    i believe that should a woman willingly engage in da sex, she should be willing to accept the consequences. this means that:
    1. rape victims should be allowed to have an abortion if they so choose
    2. the father must be legally obliged to accept the consequences (if the woman can point him out obviously)
    i believe that abstinence is idiotic and useless.
    i believe sex ed should be taught in schools, the rule should be if you entered puberty, you get the sex ed.
    i believe that arguing that illegal abortions would cause a lot of deaths for people who would have them anyway is like arguing that making it illegal to do heroin would lead to a lot of deaths of junkies who take it anyway
    i believe that abortions should be legal if the life of the mother is in danger or if the child has an untreatable genetic disease and would have a poor life quality
    i believe that should a woman get pregnant because of engaging in sex of her own free will it would be the height of douchebaggery to sacrifice a life instead of 9 months of her life (most countries make it illegal and rightfully so for employers to fire women because they got pregnant). after giving birth, she may give the child up for adoption if unprepared to raise it. a child with no parents is better than a fetus thrown in the garbage.
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    12 Feb '12 22:02
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The new life is called a baby at the beginning point of conception according
    to Christians. These other names like fetus and embryo seem to be attempts
    to dehumanize the baby.
    so taking the morning after pill is abortion?
    what should a doctor do with an ectopic pregnancy?
    whats should a 12yr old girl do after she is raped?
    if 12 week scan discovers the baby has something wrong that will likely kill the baby and mother at a later date is it wrong to abort?
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    12 Feb '12 22:27
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    so taking the morning after pill is abortion?
    what should a doctor do with an ectopic pregnancy?
    whats should a 12yr old girl do after she is raped?
    if 12 week scan discovers the baby has something wrong that will likely kill the baby and mother at a later date is it wrong to abort?
    Like I said before, abortion is another name for the murder of a baby.
    I will let you judge by that definition. Should the murder of a baby
    be made legal because we change the name to abortion? Maybe,
    you can live with decision, whatever it may be.
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    12 Feb '12 22:46
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Like I said before, abortion is another name for the murder of a baby.
    I will let you judge by that definition. Should the murder of a baby
    be made legal because we change the name to abortion? Maybe,
    you can live with decision, whatever it may be.
    so you think its better for child victim of rape, despite their trauma to go through pregnancy and labour and then all the rest that goes on after rather than take a morning after pill which at that stage isnt much more than a sperm and egg. two things that the human body gets rid of on a regular basis.
    hows the church on masturbation these days. is it okay to bash the old bishop?
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    12 Feb '12 23:14
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    I don't trust you, so your answer isn't much worth, nor even valid.

    Anyone else might help me on the definition?
    The chemical or manual detatchment of a clump of cells which if left to its own devises would develop into a viable feteus. Thats early abotion clearly the later the intervention the more contentious it becomes when trying to define the procedure and traumatic for the woman involved. And take into account some people think masturbation is morally wrong for the same reasons ergo this could be a long and winding road we've set out on.
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    12 Feb '12 23:36
    Originally posted by Agerg
    oookay...similarly the harm done when millions of people died in WW2 was no reflection on facism - but millions of evil germans 😞
    No, just one. Adolf Hitler.
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    12 Feb '12 23:561 edit
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    According to this definition abortion is okay.

    Please, someone, give me a neutral definition about abortion.
    how to you get from, abortion is premeditated murder of innocents, to, abortion is ok,
    can someone please explain the thought process to me.
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    13 Feb '12 00:201 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    how to you get from, abortion is premeditated murder of innocents, to, abortion is ok,
    can someone please explain the thought process to me.
    You start by putting your bible down and try and develop your mind to the point where it can process information in a rational/neutral way and try figure out who the autonomous individual is the clump of cells or the pregnant woman. As I said in an earlier post the more developed the feutus is the more complicated it gets. But personally I would not want to tell any woman that she has to carry a feutus to full term based on my sensitivities/beliefs.
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    13 Feb '12 00:57
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I hope you are NOT trying to justify abortion, are you?
    I'm just pointing out that if you believe a human is spirit not the body then lets not loose our minds over the whole thing .
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