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Originally posted by RJHindsTheories? THEORIES? You don't believe astronomers even know the mass of the sun? which tips the scales at about 2 E 30 Kilograms or about 1 E 27 tons? If you don't even believe that there is nothing to talk about and the entire population of RHP is wasting our communal time on you.
Nice try, but I do not see any references to prove your theories. Where are they?
You can't take the time to even look up anything for yourself? Do you believe for instance, that the sky is blue? If so, why do you believe that?
Do you EVER think ANYTHING for yourself?
You let some assshole 16 year old come out with total BS and you believe him hook line and sinker without even TRYING to think through just what BS he is saying. You are pathetic.
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Originally posted by sonhouseNo the sky is not blue. That is only an illusion. I believe the kid's BS because it agrees with mine. Where do you get your BS from?
Theories? THEORIES? You don't believe astronomers even know the mass of the sun? which tips the scales at about 2 E 30 Kilograms or about 1 E 27 tons? If you don't even believe that there is nothing to talk about and the entire population of RHP is wasting our communal time on you.
You can't take the time to even look up anything for yourself? Do you bel ...[text shortened]... and sinker without even TRYING to think through just what BS he is saying. You are pathetic.
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Originally posted by sonhouseThis is some of what wikipedia has to say about the sun.
So you don't also believe the mass of the sun is 2 E 30 kg's?
The consensus among scientists is that the young Earth's atmosphere contained much larger quantities of greenhouse gases (such as carbon dioxide, methane and/or ammonia) than are present today, which trapped enough heat to compensate for the smaller amount of solar energy reaching the planet.
New research suggests that Earth will be swallowed by the Sun owing to tidal interactions. Even if Earth should escape incineration in the Sun, still all its water will be boiled away and most of its atmosphere will escape into space. Even during its current life in the main sequence, the Sun is gradually becoming more luminous (about 10% every 1 billion years), and its surface temperature is slowly rising. The Sun used to be fainter in the past, which is possibly the reason life on Earth has only existed for about 1 billion years on land. The increase in solar temperatures is such that in about another billion years the surface of the Earth will likely become too hot for liquid water to exist, ending all terrestrial life. (I believe this will occur in about 1 thousand years.)
The Sun is currently behaving unexpectedly in a number of ways.
1. It is in the midst of an unusual sunspot minimum, lasting far longer and with a higher percentage of spotless days than normal; since May 2008.
2. It is measurably dimming; its output has dropped 0.02% at visible wavelengths and 6% at EUV wavelengths in comparison with the levels at the last solar minimum.
3. Over the last two decades, the solar wind's speed has dropped by 3%, its temperature by 13%, and its density by 20%.
4. Its magnetic field is at less than half strength compared to the minimum of 22 years ago. The entire heliosphere, which fills the Solar System, has shrunk as a result, thereby increasing the level of cosmic radiation striking the Earth and its atmosphere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
As you know, I think the billion years is bogus science based on assumptions.
Originally posted by RJHindsPutting up all that BS doesn't sidestep my question, do you think the sun masses 1.99E30 Kg?
This is some of what wikipedia has to say about the sun.
The consensus among scientists is that the young Earth's atmosphere contained much larger quantities of greenhouse gases (such as carbon dioxide, methane and/or ammonia) than are present today, which trapped enough heat to compensate for the smaller amount of solar energy reaching the planet.
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[b]As you know, I think the billion years is bogus science based on assumptions.[/b]
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Originally posted by sonhouseThe Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System. It is almost perfectly spherical and consists of hot plasma interwoven with magnetic fields. It has a diameter of about 1,392,000 km, about 109 times that of Earth, and its mass (about 2×10^30 kilograms, 330,000 times that of Earth) accounts for about 99.86% of the total mass of the Solar System. Chemically, about three quarters of the Sun's mass consists of hydrogen, while the rest is mostly helium. The remainder (1.69%, which nonetheless equals 5,628 times the mass of Earth) consists of heavier elements, including oxygen, carbon, neon and iron, among others.
You don't get it and never will. You don't remember the first argument of that assshole kid? The sun couldn't be billions of years old because it uses up H2 so fast?
The core of the Sun is considered to extend from the center to about 20–25% of the solar radius. It has a density of up to 150 g/cm3 (about 150 times the density of water) and a temperature of close to 15.7 million kelvin (K). By contrast, the Sun's surface temperature is approximately 5,800 K. Recent analysis of SOHO mission data favors a faster rotation rate in the core than in the rest of the radiative zone. Through most of the Sun's life, energy is produced by nuclear fusion through a series of steps called the p–p (proton–proton) chain; this process converts hydrogen into helium. Only 0.8% of the energy generated in the Sun comes from the CNO cycle.
The core is the only region in the Sun that produces an appreciable amount of thermal energy through fusion; inside 24% of the Sun's radius, 99% of the power has been generated, and by 30% of the radius, fusion has stopped nearly entirely. The rest of the star is heated by energy that is transferred outward from the core and the layers just outside. The energy produced by fusion in the core must then travel through many successive layers to the solar photosphere before it escapes into space as sunlight or kinetic energy of particles.
The proton–proton chain occurs around 9.2×10^37 times each second in the core of the Sun. Since this reaction uses four free protons (hydrogen nuclei), it converts about 3.7×10^38 protons to alpha particles (helium nuclei) every second (out of a total of ~8.9×10^56 free protons in the Sun), or about 6.2×10^11 kg per second. Since fusing hydrogen into helium releases around 0.7% of the fused mass as energy, the Sun releases energy at the mass-energy conversion rate of 4.26 million metric tons per second, 384.6 yotta watts (3.846×10^26 W), or 9.192×10^10 megatons of TNT per second. This mass is not destroyed to create the energy, rather, the mass is carried away in the radiated energy, as described by the concept of mass-energy equivalence.
The Sun, like most stars, is a main-sequence star, and thus generates its energy by nuclear fusion of hydrogen nuclei into helium. In its core, the Sun fuses 620 million metric tons of hydrogen each second.
The Sun was formed about 4.57 billion years ago from the collapse of part of a giant molecular cloud that consisted mostly of hydrogen and helium and which probably gave birth to many other stars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
From the article the main figures we need to consider are:
1. Sun fusion rate - 620 million metric tons
2. Mass-energy conversion rate - 4.26 million metric tons
3. Age of the Sun - 5.57 billion years
4. Mass of sun today - 2×10^30 kilograms
To determine if the kid is right we need to calculate how big the Sun should have been 5.57 billion years ago. The kid said the sun was 6 billion years old verses 5.57 billion years old. The only other figure he stated was 5 million tons of hydrogen every second, which does appear to be an over-estimate of the 4.26 million tons stated by wikipedia. He appears to have rounded up instead of down. But the kid claims the Sun would have swallowed the Earth if it had been big enough to have had that much hydrogen a few million years ago using his figures.
So can you calculate what the mass of the Sun was 5.57 billion years ago? It is now 330,000 times bigger that the Earth, according to this article.
P.S. Remember the kid said, "I know kungfu and a little science, too."
Originally posted by RJHindsI assumed this was a simple problem. But after looking at it in detail, I see it is a calculus problem and I do not remeber how to do this type problem anymore. So even if you do the correct calculations I could not be able to tell you for sure if you were right, unless you gave enough detail of your method so that it might come back to me. Sorry that I posted this before I tried to figure it out myself.
The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System. It is almost perfectly spherical and consists of hot plasma interwoven with magnetic fields. [b]It has a diameter of about 1,392,000 km, about 109 times that of Earth, and its mass (about 2×10^30 kilograms, 330,000 times that of Earth) accounts for about 99.86% of the total mass of the Solar System. Chem ...[text shortened]... cle.
P.S. Remember the kid said, "I know kungfu and a little science, too."[/b]
For those that doubt what can be created in a day, read up on what happened at the very creation of the universe (i.e., the "Big Bang", which does not conflict with creation belief in the slightest). In a tiny fraction of a second (10**-43) the entire stage was set. Given that level of creation, one cannot imagine all that was/is possible in a day.
Originally posted by RJHindsThat kid picked 5.57 billion years old out of his hat. Maybe deliberately. The sun and the whole solar system is 4.5 odd billion years old.
The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System. It is almost perfectly spherical and consists of hot plasma interwoven with magnetic fields. [b]It has a diameter of about 1,392,000 km, about 109 times that of Earth, and its mass (about 2×10^30 kilograms, 330,000 times that of Earth) accounts for about 99.86% of the total mass of the Solar System. Chem ...[text shortened]... cle.
P.S. Remember the kid said, "I know kungfu and a little science, too."[/b]
Originally posted by CLL53Other than the problem of any entity doing anything 'before' the existence of time, sure, there is no conflict at all with the Bible. 😛
For those that doubt what can be created in a day, read up on what happened at the very creation of the universe (i.e., the "Big Bang", which does not conflict with creation belief in the slightest). In a tiny fraction of a second (10**-43) the entire stage was set. Given that level of creation, one cannot imagine all that was/is possible in a day.
Originally posted by SwissGambitWhen we talk about the beginning of time, that is like only a setting of a local clock in reference to a possibly infinite universe outside our own, perhaps an infinite number of other universes, each with it's own starting time, which could be billions or trillions of years behind us, older universes having gone through its entire life cycle, however that turns out to have happened.
Other than the problem of any entity doing anything 'before' the existence of time, sure, there is no conflict at all with the Bible. 😛
Originally posted by sonhouseThat's not the BB version they usually like though.
When we talk about the beginning of time, that is like only a setting of a local clock in reference to a possibly infinite universe outside our own, perhaps an infinite number of other universes, each with it's own starting time, which could be billions or trillions of years behind us, older universes having gone through its entire life cycle, however that turns out to have happened.