Originally posted by twhitehead
Notice how you have not given an alternative view to cure my ignorance. I have asked many many times on these forums what purpose the punishment serves and am yet to get a single answer. I fully realize that many Christians do not believe that hell is punishment at all, but my post was addressed to one who does believe it.
Would you care to explain what purpose the punishment serves?
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Notice how you have not given an alternative view to cure my ignorance. I have asked many many times on these forums what purpose the punishment serves and am yet to get a single answer.
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What purpose does divine punishment serve ?
I am going to assume that you mean eternal punishment. Temporal punishment is corrective. So I assume you mean what purpose does eternal punishment serve?
Is that the question you'd like me to speak to ?
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I fully realize that many Christians do not believe that hell is punishment at all, but my post was addressed to one who does believe it.
Would you care to explain what purpose the punishment serves?
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I have answered this question in the past. I don't think there is only one way to answer this question. But I will repeat what I have written on this forum before. See if you do recall me saying this before.
God has tremendous longsuffering and patience. Some people insult God many times a day throughout an entire life time. Lightening does not strike them down. Apparently, either God does not exist or God simply allows them to speak and do as they wish. He even blesses them along with other people with many happy days in life and many provisions for which they do not thank God.
Eternal punishment is the rebel losing. God is just. God is righteous. God is loving. But if the rebel refuses to get out of the rebellion, he has to know that he cannot win against the Ultimate Governor. He has to lose.
He cannot break even. He cannot get out of existing. He cannot win.
"He has to lose" .
There is no umpire above God. There is no legal recourse transcending God. There is nothing beyond, above, transcendent to God. The Cosmic Buck, if you will, stops with God. There is nothing above, beyond, over, that can correct God.
If the revolter will not accept His loving and righteous salvation but insist to carry out revolt to the uttermost, he has to lose. He cannot win. To be punished forever is the ultimate loss.
I don't like it. I didn't invent it. But I can dimly see that this is God's RESPONSIBILITY. All creatures created have to understand that they they cannot rebel against the Ultimate Governor and Creator and win.
To be non-existent, to be annhilated so that one no longer exists, apparently is a win for the unrighteous revolter. To be punished forever is the portion of the rebel who will not be reconciled to God.
Now there can be two human reactions to this:
1.) To adopt the attitude that God is a terrible arbitrary tyrant, a despot. You can view God as a monster unfairly subjecting all creatures to his petty whims.
2.) To have believe that righteousness, justice, rightness, holiness find their ultimate and infinite source in God. He is right.
I have decided on option #2. When I see the life of Jesus Christ I think rightness, mercy, justice, and holiness are expressed in His life, death, and resurrection.
The reason this is important to me is because it was mostly from HIS MOUTH we derive NOT ONLY the truest expressions of love, mercy, forebearance, longsuffering, kindness and grace. But also the warnings of eternal damnation.
It was mostly from the SAME mouth that we see as Paul wrote
"both the kindness and severity of God".
This post has practically all been focused on the negative side of the matter.
The other side of the matter is "Where are you going to go if God eventually rules everywhere?" If He has to prepare a place for you and you want nothing to do with Him, that place by definition (using the
vanacular use) must be a HELL.
The rebel wants nothing to do with God's blessings or God Himself. What kind of place can be prepared for such a person ultimately ? It must be a place without blessing.
Maybe, the discriptions of such a state are told to us in terms in which we can understand, are terrible.
This is a post and not a book. The question is not exhaustively addressed here. No doubt you will find objections.