1. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    Did Jesus have free will?
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    11 Jul '07 01:57
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Did Jesus have free will?
    If he didn't Satan tempted him for nothing.
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    11 Jul '07 07:59
    Originally posted by josephw
    If he didn't Satan tempted him for nothing.
    So are we just lucky that Satan was not successful or was the outcome predetermined (again Satan was wasting his time).
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    11 Jul '07 18:56
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Did Jesus have free will?
    Yes
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    11 Jul '07 19:56
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    Yes
    Would you characterize Jesus as a good person?
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    11 Jul '07 20:27
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Would you characterize Jesus as a good person?
    Yes
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    11 Jul '07 23:24
    So,.. does God has free will?
    (Can he choose to be not perfect?)
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    12 Jul '07 13:181 edit
    Originally posted by metbierop
    So,.. does God has free will?
    (Can he choose to be not perfect?)
    Isn't it odd that God, by definition, both has free will, and has 0% probability of ever doing anything bad?

    What could explain his consistently perfect beneficence if not His perfect nature? Isn't His perfect nature what makes Him incapable of sin? But then, if it is in His nature, can He really do otherwise?

    To claim an act is free in the libertarian sense is to say that it is has no other explanation than the act of free will itself. But if so, how can one account for God being so consistently beneficient? Must we then say, if we cleave to libertarianism, tbat His nature does not explain His perfect beneficence, that the buck stops with the mere fact that He wills perfectly beneficently?

    I think we must. But it strikes me as very unsatisfactory.
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    12 Jul '07 14:32
    Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
    Isn't it odd that God, by definition, both has free will, and has 0% probability of ever doing anything bad?

    What could explain his consistently perfect beneficence if not His perfect nature? Isn't His perfect nature what makes Him incapable of sin? But then, if it is in His nature, can He really do otherwise?

    To claim an act is free in the libert ...[text shortened]... e wills perfectly beneficently?

    I think we must. But it strikes me as very unsatisfactory.
    Actually, I do not think that God has free will in the libertarian sense.

    To claim an act is free in the libertarian sense is to say that it is has no other explanation than the act of free will itself.

    I don't think that's quite right. I would use the term 'complete explanation' and modify your definition accordingly.
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    12 Jul '07 14:35
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    So are we just lucky that Satan was not successful or was the outcome predetermined (again Satan was wasting his time).
    We are lucky...
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    12 Jul '07 14:36
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Did Jesus have free will?
    Yes....he chose to become like us...human and all the quirks that go with it!!!
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    12 Jul '07 14:37
    Originally posted by metbierop
    So,.. does God has free will?
    (Can he choose to be not perfect?)
    Yep....
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    12 Jul '07 22:22
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    Actually, I do not think that God has free will in the libertarian sense.

    [b]To claim an act is free in the libertarian sense is to say that it is has no other explanation than the act of free will itself.


    I don't think that's quite right. I would use the term 'complete explanation' and modify your definition accordingly.[/b]
    Did Jesus also lack libertarian free will?
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    13 Jul '07 10:52
    Originally posted by Jay Joos
    We are lucky...
    So Jesus didn't actually succeed because God was stronger than the Devil, it was just a matter of luck?
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    we are lucky that god keeps choosing to be good, one day he might snap and choose to doom us all
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