Question for hell doubters

Originally posted by whodey
Jews were hunted down like dogs in "Christian" Europe at one time and killed for rejecting their Messiah. But as we see today, hate is now focused in other ways, such as those who hate Zionists. Haters are gonna hate.

Let's hope that people who disagree with your analysis are not inhibited in any way by you trying to dismiss and brand them as "haters". Zionism is a political ideology.

I would count myself as an opponent of Zionism, for what it's worth, but I do not "hate" Zionists and I certainly do not see any link between my political opinions about the post-WW2 era in the Levant on one hand and "Jews being hunted down like dogs in Christian Europe" on the other, although for your own shallow retail politics reasons you appear to wish to poison the well from which the discourse draws.

The theological claim to the land in question does not strike me as having validity in a multi-faith and multi-ethnic region.

Originally posted by whodey
2. We all have issues with our moral compass. That is why we need God. Righteosness based upon only what we think is right is self righteous in nature.

Your unsubstantiated assertions about the "afterlife" and about "eternal punishment" for being different from you are born of sheer vanity and self-righteousness on your part. That you believe such "eternal punishment" constitutes "justice" is where I believe your moral compass fails.

Originally posted by whodey
3. And I'm sure that many people have oppressed and killed innocent people with the notion that they will get away with it simply because they are the law of the land or have the military might to do so without reprocussions with the notion that will never have to answer to God.

We are talking about your God figure torturing billions of people (with different beliefs from you) in burning agony for eternity ~ a form of "justice" that your moral mind map apparently endorses. This is a notion far more ghastly and depraved than anything "oppressors" or "military might" can do in real life.

Originally posted by whodey
As I've said, hell is referred to in the spiritual realm. Fire and brimstone are terms used to describe it, but I don't reckon you could use fire as we know it to actually burn a spirit.

I have no idea what it involves, and hope never to find out.

That your imagination cannot fully imagine what it is imagining does not serve to reduce your vanity and self-righteousness. If you feel "belittled", maybe it's because you know in your heart of hearts that you cannot be coherent when you try to explain what is, after all, merely an inchoate gut feeling that you happen to have ~ "backed" by huge quantities of mythological screed that you happen to propagate.

Originally posted by FMF
We are talking about your God figure torturing billions of people (with different beliefs from you) in burning agony for eternity ~ a form of "justice" that your moral mind map apparently endorses. This is a notion far more ghastly and depraved than anything "oppressors" or "military might" can do in real life.

And you are presenting a picture of a God who is unjust.

Guess what, men like Hitler will face justice. Only a loving God would insist upon it.

In a world with injustice all around us, I dare say we have no real concept of what justice really is.

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No, I'm saying that I believe God will be just in his judgement, and yes there will be judgement, or do you question this as well?

As for what that judgement is, that is up to God, not you or I.

Scripture warns us that judgement may be harsh, but at the end of the day sin and rebellion will be thrown into hell forever.

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What does seperation from God mean?

It means being seperated from a God of life, of love, and of hope. This means having an existence devoid of life, of love, and of hope.

I reckon you think this could possibly be "good" in any way. I reckon you think God should support their continued rebellion and sin in creation. I don't know about you, but I'm sick of it.

Originally posted by FMF
Let's hope that people who disagree with your analysis are not inhibited in any way by you trying to dismiss and brand them as "haters". Zionism is a political ideology.

I would count myself as an opponent of Zionism, for what it's worth, but I do not "hate" Zionists and I certainly do not see any link between my political opinions about the post-WW2 era in ...[text shortened]... land in question does not strike me as having validity in a multi-faith and multi-ethnic region.

The bottom line is that Jews have been singled out over the centuries for various things. Once they were singled out because they rejected Jesus as their Messiah. Today they are singled out across the world because of negative views of Zionism, in addition to continued negative views in general of Jews passed down over the centuries.

If it were not for zionism or the fact that they rejected Jesus as Messiah, the hate would still linger and be something something else.

Now that we have established that you are an opponent of Zionism, what should be done with them in the next life due to their perceived injustices? Should God just let it go, or do you think he should demand justice in any way?

Originally posted by whodey
If everyone will have the same fate after death, then why not eat, drink, and be merry and forget about God and our faith in him?

If god would assure you you would get into heaven no matter what you did here on earth would that mean you would drastically change your lifestyle and start doing a lot more stuff you currently regard as "sinful"?