Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI don’t believe the things you do about supernatural things and it makes no difference to me how many times you keep asking me variations of 'what if Fetchmyjunk is right and FMF is wrong?'; it's not as interesting or as telling a question as you seem to think it is.
If it is possible for truth about natural things to apply to all people, why do you think it is impossible for truths about supernatural things to apply to all people?
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-Removed-The word 'universal' clarifies that he died for everyone even those who don't believe that it is true. Because some people who believe in relative truth believe that truth only applies to the people who believe it to be true as opposed to universal truth. They still use only the word 'truth', So clearly the word 'truth' means something different to a relativist and a universalist.
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Originally posted by FMF
[1] Of course. [2] No of course not. Two pretty daft questions, sonship. What are you on about? If you don't understand how (or don't agree that) religious beliefs are a function of things like upbringing, experience and environment, then say so.
[1] Of course.
I agree.
[2] No of course not.
I agree here too.
Two pretty daft questions, sonship.
Thanks for simple answers to the pretty daft questions.
What are you on about? If you don't understand how (or don't agree that) religious beliefs are a function of things like upbringing, experience and environment, then say so.
I understand that many time religious beliefs like Atheism or Humanism are a result of things like upbringing, experience and environment.
I count "religious belief" to be indicated often when someone says " I don't care what you say, I am going to be what I am what I am! "
Usually this kind of devotion comes after the facade of intellectual curiosity and question asking is exposed for just that.
In the end just naked will power to be what one is, what one is, is the religious devotion I notice. That is according to that portion of the definition of religion which would indicate -
" faithful, devoted, committed
"a religious person"
Definition of religious humanism
: a modern American movement composed chiefly of nontheistic humanists and humanist churches and dedicated to achieving the ethical goals of religion without beliefs and rites resting upon supernaturalism
I see you as a kind of free-lance religious anti-theist Humanist.
Originally posted by sonshipI am using the word "religious" to pertain to belief in and worship of a supernatural power or creator; so I am not interested in your sophistry and disingenuous use of synonyms.
I understand that many time religious beliefs like Atheism or Humanism are a result of things like upbringing, experience and environment.
I count "religious belief" to be indicated often when someone says " I don't care what you say, I am going to be what I am what I am! "
If you don't understand how (or don't agree that) religious beliefs are a function of things like upbringing, experience and environment, then say so. Just trying to spam me with waffling different-topic avoidance-text, as usual, doesn't work on me, as you know.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYour use of the word "universal" attached to your personal beliefs and opinions is, indeed, superfluous ~ it adds nothing to the claims and hopes you hold so dearly, nothing at all ~ while you arguing about the word "universal" with a fellow Christian who shares your personal beliefs and opinions about Jesus is decidedly peculiar.
You may think the use is superfluous because you already agree that truth is universal. Not everyone does.FMF for example doesn't.