Originally posted by FMFI don't believe that two contradictory beliefs can both be true, and I think neither do you and neither does geester. We all believe in universal truth. So your never ending crusade is decidedly peculiar since we share the same belief about the nature of truth.
Your use of the word "universal" attached to your personal beliefs and opinions is, indeed, superfluous ~ it adds nothing to the claims and hopes you hold so dearly, nothing at all ~ while you arguing about the word "universal" with a fellow Christian who shares your personal beliefs and opinions about Jesus is decidedly peculiar.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou stating this over and over and over again does not add any credence to the unprovable claims you make here (you have admitted you can't prove them) based on your superstitious beliefs. Trotting out the word string I don't believe that two contradictory beliefs can both be true ~ what feels like hundreds of times ~ is not evidence of anything nor an argument per se that makes the stuff you believe any more believable. Yes you use the word "universal"; yes it means you are very very certain; yes it means you think others are wrong; yes it means you are sincere; but that's all it "means" external to you, and your forever-repeating and severely restricted palette of fixed ideas.
I don't believe that two contradictory beliefs can both be true....
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-Removed-Some truths are in fact relative I don't doubt that, for example, my favorite color is blue that truth is relative to me and does not apply to all people. I disagree that all truths are relative though. Some truths I do believe are absolute. For example, Jesus died for my sins. If everyone alive were to say Jesus died for my sins it would be true, that it is an absolute/universal truth. Geester would also agree with this is he were to man up.
Originally posted by Fetchmyjunksonship's favourite supernatural figure is Jesus; that "truth" is relative to him [and presumably you] and does not apply to all people.
Some truths are in fact relative I don't doubt that, for example, my favorite color is blue that truth is relative to me and does not apply to all people.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkSo, in other words, an "absolute truth" is something you are very, very, very certain about. That's what you are saying, right? The word "absolute" simply nails your underpants to your mast, right?
Some truths I do believe are absolute. For example, Jesus died for my sins. If everyone alive were to say Jesus died for my sins it would be true.
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Originally posted by FMFIf the things that the Bible claims about Jesus are in fact true, that means they would be true even if no one believed them to be true. Truth does not depend upon belief. So if Geester really believes that Jesus died for all people it would mean the Geester believes that Jesus died for you even if you don't believe it to be true. Yet he doesn't want to admit it for some peculiar reason.
sonship's favourite supernatural figure is Jesus; that "truth" is relative to him [and presumably you] and does not apply to all people.
Originally posted by FMFEither the things that the Bible claims are true or they are not true. If they are true they would be true even if I weren't certain about them or didn't believe them, I obviously believe they are true, but their truthfulness doesn't depend on my certainty whatsoever.
So, in other words, an "absolute truth" is something you are very, very, very certain about. That's what you are saying, right? The word "absolute" simply nails your underpants to your mast, right?
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Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYour concept of "truth" does depend on your belief though, doesn't it? I'm not denying mine does. But you seem to think dubbing it "absolute truth" lends extra credence to what you just so happen to believe and somehow makes it apply to me... in so far as you appear to want me to "admit" that the stuff you believe about angels and demons and the ancient Hebrews is a set of "absolute" and "universal" truths that I accept too.
If the things that the Bible claims about Jesus are in fact true, that means they would be true even if no one believed them to be true. Truth does not depend upon belief.
But you know full well this is not going to happen. And you know full well that repeating the same assertions over and over and over and over again - and labelling them with portentous adjectives - isn't going to make it happen either. People know what you believe. You should be content that you have had a chance to state what you believe and that you have been clear.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou've said this kind of thing umpteen times. What impact do you think saying it has on someone who doesn't have the same superstitions as you and doesn't subscribe to the Bible stories that you do?
Either the things that the Bible claims are true or they are not true.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou've said this before. Many, many times. Why are you saying it again?
If [the things that the Bible claims] are true they would be true even if I weren't certain about them or didn't believe them, I obviously believe they are true, but their truthfulness doesn't depend on my certainty whatsoever.