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Originally posted by sonhouseAh, yes, of course. I thought it was a variation of the Knut-thing...
I think it is Swedish for Swedish boy.
Svenska Pojke...
"Jesus loves me, this I know,
For the Bible tells me so."
Originally posted by sonhouseThe problem is not religion. Religion is pliable and can adapt to societal change. The problem is transitioning from a society that knows nothing higher than its base animalistic urges to one that embraces reason.
We desperately need to escape religions so the human race can finally grow up and take care of business on its own petards.
This obsession with gods is out of hand. Every decision a theist makes is tainted with the obsession of some god or other.
That is not the way to maturity. That is the way that keeps us infantile, forever in the middle of religi ...[text shortened]... way round.
Prove me wrong. Try it without quoting scripture, vedas, talmud, Qurans and such.
Originally posted by SwissGambitThe problem with most religions is religion is the enemy of reason. You don't reason your way out of a religious debate, you instead just throw dogma around till someone gives way.
The problem is not religion. Religion is pliable and can adapt to societal change. The problem is transitioning from a society that knows nothing higher than its base animalistic urges to one that embraces reason.
Originally posted by sonhouseI disagree. I think reason does quite well in 'real life', as well as here on RHP.
The problem with most religions is religion is the enemy of reason. You don't reason your way out of a religious debate, you instead just throw dogma around till someone gives way.
My Karma ran over your dogma.
Originally posted by FabianFnas"Lucifer is also a 'fictitious character' made up of a reason." -FF
Who/what is Svenska Bojke?
When I started to think for myself, I realized that Santa Claus was just a 'fictitious character' the adult had fooled me with so I would be nice all the year.
Lucifer is also a 'fictitious character' made up of a reason.
Originally posted by FabianFnasYou need to take everything in both OT and NT in context, not every
Okay, I got your point. When I usually say "christians", I normally mean "some christians" or "those christians who" and so on. It's like christians, sorry, some christians, say that atheists this and atheist that, when they mean some atheist etc. Samo, samo.
Okay, so you say all the OT is true, every tiny verse, and all is written as truths, and we sh ...[text shortened]... I can understand it, then I've learned something new, and there is one paradox less in my list.
Originally posted by KellyJayWhat really changes is the nature of the stories all made up by men. There is no god in the bible. Assigning human characteristics to a god is a losing game.
You need to take everything in both OT and NT in context, not every
thing that was done in either God was happy with, even though some
could have been done in His name.
Also what makes you think the NT is less bloody than the OT, and why
do you believe God is different from OT to NT. As long as I read both
the OT and NT and I've been reading them for ...[text shortened]... ow it
does not at all seem like God changes. What changes is our relationship
with Him.
Kelly
What really changes is the nature of the stories all made up by men. There is no god in the bible. Assigning human characteristics to a god is a losing game.
No god would be caught dead using human attributes. I think that is a safe statement.
Like "I am a jealous god', I have said that one before but all I got was a debate over the original text which apparently said just worship me or some such.
Originally posted by FabianFnasSo we leave mankind to it's own destruction. What of the gangs of Africa, they don't follow any religion that i'm aware of. Blood, money, power, there is your new god.
There are so many wars described in the old testament, so many genocides, so much violence, so it is one of the pillars of the christian religion. "We are better than you, we have God on our side, we have the right, no, the obligation to destroy you!"
So, yes, religion is responsible for too many wars, even in our times.