Religious colleges getting flak, gay being sin:

Originally posted by Penguin
This brings up the issue of whether you can summarise an entire country the size of the US in this way. The US as a whole may be generally civilised but there are states the size of countries that are generally not (by the measure of tolerance towards gays).

Actually I don't fully understand what Zahlanzi is on about. Some of his posts say quite clear things about "norms" and his definition of "civilized countries", but other statements are just incoherent and, like you, I think there is a circular argument at the heart of it. I also suspect that there is an element of rather raw elitism in what he is saying, but it's not really very clear.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
i think i wasted my time in this thread.

You said: "why do you assume the us is characterized by the fundies? the us is run by the fundies because it has been a trend in most countries that educated men and women couldn't be bothered to care to vote and as such the votes were cast by the rabble."

If you seriously thought that this was a clear explanation of how we know what the "norm" is in the U.S. by your own definition, and whether of not the U.S. is a "civilized country", again by your own definition, then you may be right if you think you are wasting your time, because it is not clear at all.