Originally posted by no1marauderNice... with that... I am off to bed. Probably have nightmares now.
Maybe he did go to the Buddha page. It would be cool if he converted like every week or so; next week, the WORD OF BUDDHA, say another week and he's an Islamic Fundamentalist and after that a Druid or something. It would break the monotony in the Spirituality Forum; even the damn Muffinians are starting to get on my nerves. Where's a fanatical Janinist when you need one.
For a Muffin Kick... view my forum avatar full size. Muffin Madness!
Wooo! (night all!)
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Originally posted by blindfaith101I really hope that someday you stop being an insuferable, self-righteous twit with a persecution complex and delusions of grandeur. I really do.
I really hope that you all repent and get saved. I really do.
BTW, I hope you took a look at the Buddha link; knowledge is power, BF101.
Originally posted by no1marauderAs long as you keep ignoring the rest of scripture, you will never understand the parts you do read. There's more to the Bible then Mat 25. You will be judged by how your act towards your fellow man. But notice how black and white the situation is. The sheep are credited, not just with feeding the poor, but with feeding Christ himself. And the goats are not cursed for failing to feel the poor, but neglecting Christ himself. How come no one was judges as sort-of good. Is anyone perfect in goodness? Are not some people bad some of the time, but more good than bad? That does not seem to be the case here. It would appear that one is either a goat or a sheep, and nothing in-between. Is that justice? Can you explain that?
There is absolutely nothing in Matthew 25 about faith; you clowns deliberately misinterpret it. If you can't read the plain language, you're hopeless. It is absolutely clear in Matthew 25 you will be judged on how you acted toward your fellow man AND NOTHING ELSE. ..
Originally posted by ColettiI guess you are toooooooooo brainwashed to read; the sheep and the goats are judged ONLY on how they treat their fellow men. Christ DOES not make a seperate distinction for those who "fed" him; the only way you "feed" Christ is by what you do to others. The only way in this passage you "neglect" Christ is by neglecting others. The parallel passages of verse 40 and 45 make that clear.
As long as you keep ignoring the rest of scripture, you will never understand the parts you do read. There's more to the Bible then Mat 25. You will be judged by how your act towards your fellow man. But notice how black and white the situation is. The sheep are credited, not just with feeding the poor, but with feeding Christ himself. And the goats ar ...[text shortened]... one is either a goat or a sheep, and nothing in-between. Is that justice? Can you explain that?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not unto one of these least, ye did it not unto me.
The word "inasmuch" is not capable of the semantic distortions you are trying to make.
As I see it, you can only argue that this passage is wrong and thus the Bible is contradictory (and that the words of Jesus regarding Judgment Day are less important than the words of others) or you have to concede that you will be judged on your "works" i.e. how you treat your fellow man (which may be distinct from "works" as discussed by Paul which seems to be mostly Pharisee type things like praying loudly or building shrines, etc) and abandon your Pauline insistence otherwise. You could even then ditch the ridiculous predestination thing and you might be on the way to some sort of rational Christianity! Give it a whirl!
Originally posted by frogstompI know that Mat 13 and Mat 25 are connected, but I think you have missed something critical information. What do you think the connection is? What do you think the sowing of the seed is about?
Mathew 13 and 25 should be read together since the latter is what the former is refering to.
Originally posted by Coletti
You should go back a little further for some clues. James 2:10 is very interesting, but James 2:1 is the beginning of Jame's argument. And Mat 7:21 and Luk 6:46 are also keys to understanding James. And you stopped too soon, because James summarizes with James 2:26.[b]For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
(Jam 2:26 NASB)
[/b]So like for Mt. 25; if you feed the hungry as an Atheist thinking that God will save you even though you do not believe in him, he will not though because you had no faith in his saving power alone, you had faith in your works but not Jesus.
Originally posted by sasquatch672I will say this before I came to Jesus I had very few friends.
No. It's definitely you. See, this is what I think is great about your team. You cannot conceive of someone not wanting to be around you. You preserve your self esteem by lying to yourself, telling yourself that you're not, in fact, an obnoxious twit that people can't stand being in the same room with, that it must be Jesus that people reject. T ...[text shortened]... what is it that I should change so as to become more palatable to normal, upright citizens?"
But when I became a Christian I am receiving friends from God all the time wether they are Christian or not.
Originally posted by RBHILLHere's a few verses about salvation by faith. The last two talk about the deeds of those who lack faith.
So like for Mt. 25; if you feed the hungry as an Atheist thinking that God will save you even though you do not believe in him, he will not though because you had no faith in his saving power alone, you had faith in your works but not Jesus.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
(Eph 2:8 NASB)
nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
(Gal 2:16 NASB)
and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,
(Phi 3:9 NASB)
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
(Joh 1:12 NASB)
By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks.
(Heb 11:4 NASB)
And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
(Heb 11:6 NASB)
Originally posted by ColettiNot a word of Jesus among them; it is interesting that you use the words of others to try to change Jesus' meaning which is clear without outside interpretation. To me, the only debate is whether faith AND works are required; Matthew 25 is absolutely clear that works are required, some passages indicate faith is too but you would have to give a pretty good reason why Jesus failed to mention it when he was describing Judgment Day in stark and precise terms (albeit with some symbolism i.e. "sheep" and "goats"😉. No part of the Gospels indicate that faith alone is sufficient and as Jesus' message is so consistent as to the importance of good acts toward the less fortunate, such as doctrine gets little support from Jesus. It is largely a Pauline invention, but if you want to say the Paul wasn't changing the message than the only possible interpretation is that when Paul said "works" he was using it in a different sense than James (I thought James was supposed to be Jesus' brother; you would think his interpretation would carry a little more weight than Paul's).
Here's a few verses about salvation by faith. The last two talk about the deeds of those who lack faith.For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
(Eph 2:8 NASB)nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus ...[text shortened]... st believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
(Heb 11:6 NASB)
Originally posted by RBHILLHave you ever met an atheist who feeds the hungry in order to be saved? Why would they do that if they don't believe there is a god who can save them? If I see someone who needs help, I don't think "What reward will I get if I help this person?" That would seem like a rather selfish way to look at things. Maybe I'll get some reward for helping others, for example it's likely that other people are more willing to help me if I have helped them. Maybe I won't get any reward. That's okay, because I didn't do it to get a reward in the first place.
So like for Mt. 25; if you feed the hungry as an Atheist thinking that God will save you even though you do not believe in him, he will not though because you had no faith in his saving power alone, you had faith in your works but not Jesus.
Originally posted by NordlysHe man I was just giving an example smart one, it could be any one atheist or not.
Have you ever met an atheist who feeds the hungry in order to be saved? Why would they do that if they don't believe there is a god who can save them? If I see someone who needs help, I don't think "What reward will I get if I help this person?" That would seem like a rather selfish way to look at things. Maybe I'll get some reward for helping others, f ...[text shortened]... won't get any reward. That's okay, because I didn't do it to get a reward in the first place.
Originally posted by ColettiMathew 13
Here's a few verses about salvation by faith. The last two talk about the deeds of those who lack faith.For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
(Eph 2:8 NASB)nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus ...[text shortened]... st believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
(Heb 11:6 NASB)
Mathew 25
Try to understand the word of the Kingdom