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So many time we atheists (or non-believers) have been hit with the old fundie chestnut:
"Until you prove God doesn't exist, your belief is as much a position of faith as mine"
(or derivatives of such) and usually we then try to convince the fundie who said this that we could apply the same reasoning to the tooth fairy, Gandalf, the FSM, and so on... to no avail.
The thing is though, *I do have a proof that God doesn't exist* and I'm just too shy/scared to share it with anyone
Can you prove I don't have such a proof?
17 Apr 11
Originally posted by Agergutterly and completely futile.
So many time we atheists (or non-believers) have been hit with the old fundie chestnut:
"Until you prove God doesn't exist, your belief is as much a position of faith as mine"
(or derivatives of such) and usually we then try to convince the fundie who said this that we could apply the same reasoning to the tooth fairy, Gandalf, the FSM, and so on... ...[text shortened]... too shy/scared to share it with anyone
[b]Can you prove I don't have such a proof?[/b]
17 Apr 11
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Originally posted by Agergdoes god exist = yes if you believe it
God doesn't exist: 1
God does exist: -nil-
;]
god doesn't exist = yes thats correct if you believe it
Now dear agers i suggest you dawn your best robe, light the candles, offer up incense
to gandalf and petition the gods or logic and reason, for it seems that yours is a belief,
like any other religious belief. How vewwy vewwy intwesting.
17 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobiedoes god exist = yes if you believe it
does god exist = yes if you believe it
god doesn't exist = yes thats correct if you believe it
Now dear agers i suggest you dawn your best robe, light the candles, offer up incense
to gandalf and petition the gods or logic and reason, for it seems that yours is a belief,
like anmy other religious belief. How vewwy vewwy intwesting.
Believing something doesn't make it real.
17 Apr 11
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Originally posted by Proper Knobyes i think it must. take someone who is suffering from schizophrenia, the aural or
I don't doubt that, it's nonsensical though.
I believe something exists so therefore it exists!! Does the same approach work with unicorns?
visual hallucinations are very real to them? can we therefore say that they dont exist
simply because they are the product of aberration in the mind? they are very real to
the sufferer although existing solely in the mind.
17 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAre you saying belief in God is akin to a mental illness?
yes i think it must. take someone who is suffering from schizophrenia, the aural or
visual hallucinations are very real to them? can we therefore say that they dont exist
simply because they are the product of aberration in the mind? they are very real to
the sufferer although existing solely in the mind.
17 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis is true, but there are somethings no matter how hard you believe or how much you convince yourself they are true, they are not. For instance, i could take a large dose of hallucinogenic drugs and convince myself i could fly. I climb to the top of a 20 storey building and throw myself off, will my beliefs make me soar like an eagle or am i going to plummet to the ground like a stone???
no, i am saying that reality can exist solely in the mind.
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17 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI don't think the average theologian would accept this as an adequate mode of existence to justify the unqualified assertion "God exists." However, I do think that belief in deity can produce all of the earthly effects of actual existence. In other words, God is so great He can work His wonders without actually existing.🙂
yes i think it must. take someone who is suffering from schizophrenia, the aural or
visual hallucinations are very real to them? can we therefore say that they dont exist
simply because they are the product of aberration in the mind? they are very real to
the sufferer although existing solely in the mind.
17 Apr 11
Originally posted by Proper Knobmost probably you shall come under the influence of gravity and accelerate towards
This is true, but there are somethings no matter how hard you believe or how much you convince yourself they are true, they are not. For instance, i could take a large dose of hallucinogenic drugs and convince myself i could fly. I climb to the top of a 20 storey building and throw myself off, will my beliefs make me soar like an eagle or am i going to plummet to the ground like a stone???
the earth at a speed of 9.81 meters per second and as the energy dissipates on the
ground, you may more than likely feel a little queasy as a consequence.
17 Apr 11
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Originally posted by JS357this is entirely the point for i am not trying to assert anything for the existence of God,
I don't think the average theologian would accept this as an adequate mode of existence to justify the unqualified assertion "God exists." However, I do think that belief in deity can produce all of the earthly effects of actual existence. In other words, God is so great He can work His wonders without actually existing.🙂
I am merely trying to demonstrate that belief is akin to a reality. All i have ever
stated is that we can draw inferences about the natural world which seem to be
indicative of intelligence and design. Nor can these inferences be disputed other than
by stating, I dont believe that is so, and we are back to Agers offering up incese and
dear Noobster carrying an effigy of Dawkins on a large pole! and Hamilton on a
pilgrimage to Darwins house.
17 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobiethis is entirely the point for i am not trying to assert anything for the existence of God
this is entirely the point for i am not trying to assert anything for the existence of God,
I am merely trying to demonstrate that belief is akin to a reality. All i have ever
stated is that we can draw inferences about the natural world which seem to be
indicative of intelligence and design. Nor can these inferences be disputed other than
...[text shortened]... carrying an effigy of Dawkins on a large pole! and Hamilton on a
pilgrimage to Darwins house.
Yes you are, this is what you said -
does god exist = yes if you believe it
How is that not trying to assert God exists?