Originally posted by josephw Q) What historical event in recorded human history has had the most profound effect on the world?
A: Invention of the printing press, perhaps, and all the things it led on to, including the publishing of the Bible in all the languages of the world.
Q: Does any Christian who actually knows what they are about, or who can be bothered to look them up, have any views about the Messianic Jewish evangelical organization called Jews for Jesus?
Originally posted by FMF A: Invention of the printing press, perhaps, and all the things it led on to, including the publishing of the Bible in all the languages of the world.
Q: Does any Christian who actually knows what they are about, or who can be bothered to look them up, have any views about the Messianic Jewish evangelical organization called Jews for Jesus?
An invention hardly qualifies as an event. You could just as easily said the wheel, but that isn't, or wasn't an event either. Inventions can accelerate or hinder historical events I'm sure, but in and of themselves can't be considered an event in the sense of what shapes or causes events that shape history.
A) No. Not interested. I have better things to do and learn about than to preoccupy my time with every wind blowing down the pike. But that's just me!
Q) What ideological, philosophical or theological event has had the most profound effect on human history?
Originally posted by josephw An invention hardly qualifies as an event. You could just as easily said the wheel, but that isn't, or wasn't an event either. Inventions can accelerate or hinder historical events I'm sure, but in and of themselves can't be considered an event in the sense of what shapes or causes events that shape history.
Of course the invention of something can be an event that shapes history ~ the invention of printing is a premier example; its repercussions were immense. If you have some other event that you choose as your answer to your own question, just go ahead and offer it up.
Originally posted by josephw Q) What ideological, philosophical or theological event has had the most profound effect on human history?
A: Maybe a combination of the English, French and American revolutions. The Russian Revolution has come and gone, its proffered template vanquished, its "profound effect" limited to the C20th.
Q: What more ghastly and depraved notion has the human imagination conjured up than the torturing of billions of people in burning agony for eternity for a thoughtcrime?
Originally posted by FMF A: Invention of the printing press, perhaps, and all the things it led on to, including the publishing of the Bible in all the languages of the world.
Q: Does any Christian who actually knows what they are about, or who can be bothered to look them up, have any views about the Messianic Jewish evangelical organization called Jews for Jesus?
I have two comments, FMF.
The first would be that the printing press certainly comes close to an invention that revolutionised society.
An alternative one that comes to mind is the invention of sanitation, specifically the flush toilet around 1775. This caused a major drop in infant mortality and a steep rise in the population growth rate.
As to your question on Jews for Jesus, I do know about it, who makes up its membership and what they preach (mainly to fellow Jews). If you ask me for my views, these would be that there are probably sincere and honest members, (whom I could relate to) as well as fanatical closed-minded members, (as occurs in any group) who would be on a different planet from me. Maybe not a satisfactory answer?
Originally posted by FMF Q: What more ghastly and depraved notion has the human imagination conjured up than the torturing of billions of people in burning agony for eternity for a thoughtcrime?
A: None imaginable. I am only saddened by the fact that most proponents of this doctrine have never thought it through, nor realised that it was an invention of the Middle Ages.
Originally posted by CalJust A: None imaginable. I am only saddened by the fact that most proponents of this doctrine have never thought it through, nor realised that it was an invention of the Middle Ages.
Many here have thought it through and are still subscribers; I enjoy being the torchee in question as the test case and not one single Christian will defend me against another Christians claim that I will be burnt for eternity (as a Christian) for denying the doctrine of burning for eternity.
It disgusts me beyond belief. I do not class myself as sharing the same God as these people.
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21 Apr '15 14:011 edit
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Q. At what age did you experience an awareness of the possibility that God existed?
I think the age for me would have been around four or five.
Originally posted by divegeester ........ another Christians claim that I will be burnt for eternity (as a Christian) for denying the doctrine of burning for eternity.
It disgusts me beyond belief. I do not class myself as sharing the same God as these people.
By the power vested in me, I absolve you from all guilt due to erroneous belief. You will not burn in hell, I guarantee it.
The good news, however, is that you DO share the same God as these people - and in fact, as all people. It is just that some draw their own caricatures of what they think their god is. Sort of putting the Infinite into a mental box of their own creation.
Which, obviously, doesn't change anything about god at all!
21 Apr '15 11:17
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