Originally posted by vishvahetuAnd that is your opinion. If you deny this, then you are the one who is dishonest.
I dont have ideas or opinions, but only the truth of Vedanta Sutra.
If honesty is disregarded, then there is no basis for a discussion.
Atheists have no honesty, because they present absurd comments that are baseless and without merit.....how can one discuss in those circumstances.
And if you look at your comments for the last few weeks, there just rants and raves of a madman.
Open yourself to the Truth, and let your ignorance vanish.
Originally posted by FabianFnasyes like ummm totally ignoring what is written in scripture rather than what is not, that's real honest, glad to see you are keeping the forums morally clean Fabian with your own sterling example, keep up the good work!
And that is your opinion. If you deny this, then you are the one who is dishonest.
Open yourself to the Truth, and let your ignorance vanish.
Originally posted by FabianFnasvanish?
And that is your opinion. If you deny this, then you are the one who is dishonest.
Open yourself to the Truth, and let your ignorance vanish.
His arrogance is not only tarnished, it is va(r)nished too! Held deeply within his wood.
Before enlightenment chopping wood, and carrying water. After enlightenment chopping water and carrying wood, in his case. 😉
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie“...yes like ummm totally ignoring what is written in scripture rather than what is not, that's real honest, ...”
yes like ummm totally ignoring what is written in scripture rather than what is not, that's real honest, glad to see you are keeping the forums morally clean Fabian with your own sterling example, keep up the good work!
is there anything “dishonest” about not reading what you believe doesn't say the truth?
I presume you don't read all the writing about evolution? if so, would that mere fact mean you are being “dishonest” just because of this? I don't think so; don't you?
Neither you nor FabianFnas is being “dishonest”; please don't do a vishvahetu on us.
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Originally posted by Andrew Hamiltonyes there is, its called prejudice, for how do you know, or how can you evaluate what you have given no consideration, please explain Mr.Hamilton. Its one thing to state that i hold something as of no value after considering it, but to ignore it without consideration is quite another. If Fabian had the moral integrity that he demands of Vishy then he would have stated that he does not agree with scriptural precepts, but to completely ignore them was, in my opinion a dishonest act.
“...yes like ummm totally ignoring what is written in scripture rather than what is not, that's real honest, ...”
is there anything “dishonest” about not reading what you believe doesn't say the truth?
I presume you don't read all the writing about evolution? if so, would that mere fact mean you are being “dishonest” just because of this? I don't you?
Neither you nor FabianFnas is being “dishonest”; please don't do a vishvahetu on us.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie“...or how can you evaluate what you have given no consideration ...”
yes there is, its called prejudice, for how do you know, or how can you evaluate what you have given no consideration, please explain Mr.Hamilton. Its one thing to state that i hold something as of no value after considering it, but to ignore it without consideration is quite another. If Fabian had the moral integrity that he demands of Vishy then ...[text shortened]... gree with scriptural precepts, but to completely ignore them was, in my opinion a dishonest act.
but I have given the scriptures a consideration; for a microsecond. Then noted even before reading them that they don't argue with logic and just assume the existence of supernatural entities etc. That's all I have to know about scriptures to know they are baseless. And, yes, I am 'prejudice' against writings that I know to be baseless (whether they are religious or not) .
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Originally posted by Andrew Hamiltonyes Mr Hamilton, but you are not the issue here. Take for example Fabian, he states that I am discriminatory against women. When i point out the the scriptures contain no principles for the ordination of females but that they contain many qualifications for males, he simply ignores it and tries to focus on what is in fact not written, with arguments based on what is not written rather than what is. does that strike you as a man of honesty and integrity? Had he stated, well ok, that is fine, but after consideration i do not agree with it then all would be well, but simply to ignore them, which after all formed the entire basis of my argument was quite evasive. Sonhouse also, he states that religion is a controlling mechanism, when i ask him , after giving a list of principles which ones he feels is a controlling mechanism, he simply ignores it, as if it did not exist, well ok, i have no right to demand anyones attention, but its rather evasive if you ask me.
“...or how can you evaluate what you have given no consideration ...”
but I have given the scriptures a consideration; for a microsecond. Then noted even before reading them that they don't argue with logic and just assume the existence of supernatural entities etc. That's all I have to know about scriptures to know they are baseless. And, yes, I rejudice' against writings that I know to be baseless (whether they are religious or not) .
i can do the same with you, the Bible counsels Christians to treat older women as mothers, younger women as sisters and a wife is to be loved and cherished as ones own body, which of these principles seems to be discriminatory to you? indeed which of these principles has no value in your eyes?
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Originally posted by vishvahetu“...I dont have ideas or opinions, ...”
I dont have ideas or opinions, but only the truth of Vedanta Sutra.
If honesty is disregarded, then there is no basis for a discussion.
Atheists have no honesty, because they present absurd comments that are baseless and without merit.....how can one discuss in those circumstances.
And if you look at your comments for the last few weeks, there just rants and raves of a madman.
yes, I noticed you have no ideas of your own. But WHY not? Are you incapable of rational independent thought/analysis of your own?
Do you have the need for somebody else to always tell you what to think?
Don't you believe that you (and everyone else) should be allowed to think independently by themselves?
“....but only the truth of Vedanta Sutra. ….”
firstly, how do you know that what Vedanta Sutra is 'the truth'?
Secondly, how do you know that your interpretation of it is the correct one given the fact that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma_Sutras
“...the Brahma Sūtras are so terse that not only are they capable of being interpreted in multiple ways, . ...”
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI didn't imply this.
yes Mr Hamilton, but you are not the issue here. Take for example Fabian, he states that I am discriminatory against women. When i point out the the scriptures contain no principles for the ordination of females but that they contain many qualifications for males, he simply ignores it and tries to focus on what is in fact not written, with argument ...[text shortened]... seems to be discriminatory to you? indeed which of these principles has no value in your eyes?
I have absolutely no opinion whatsoever on whether some religious crap is 'discriminatory'; crap is still crap just the same so I just ignore it.
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Originally posted by Andrew Hamiltonthen perhaps you had better point out what is, in your self certified opinion, 'crap', about it or stop making such idiotic and clearly prejudicial statements.
I didn't imply this.
I have absolutely no opinion whatsoever on whether some religious crap is 'discriminatory'; crap is still crap just the same so I just ignore it.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat makes the religious scriptures “crap” is the fact that what they say/assume about the 'supernatural' is not based on logic nor evidence.
then perhaps you had better point out what is, in your self certified opinion, 'crap', about it or stop making such idiotic and clearly prejudicial statements.
Originally posted by AgergReligion and truth are one....and I will continue to expose the false teachings in religion and science as long as I see fit.
I am curious as to what you hope to achieve through communication with us dishonest atheists as well as those 'wrong religion' followers like Christians etc..
Really, do you think there exists even one atheist who has read your posts and been moved to consider their position with a more critical view??? 😕
By the same token, do you really think a Christian ...[text shortened]... wayed by a decree on your part, that *your* religion is the one and only 'right religion'?
You are speaking for your self, and do not know if there is one person who will benefit from hearing the truth.
If one person benefits, then my work is done.
As for you, you have the madness disease and do not know what to do, or what not to do, because you are lost to dishonesty and foolishness.
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonThis is what happens when you Google Vedanta Sutra, with the fault finding eye.....you mis-interpret.
“...I dont have ideas or opinions, ...”
yes, I noticed you have no ideas of your own. But WHY not? Are you incapable of rational independent thought/analysis of your own?
Do you have the need for somebody else to always tell you what to think?
Don't you believe that you (and everyone else) should be allowed to think independently by themselves ...[text shortened]... ras are so terse that not only are they capable of being interpreted in multiple ways, . ...”
Many impersonalists have translated Vedanta Sutra with the atheistic conclusion, and have polluted the true meaning.
It can only be translated by an honest pure master, to receive the correct import.
Since atheism has its influence everywhere, Vedanta Sutra must be taught by a bonafide representative of Bhakti Yoga.....and then you will have the correct understanding.
It cannot be misunderstood, but unscrupulous translators, purposely mis-interpret the scriptures, because they are fools and rascals.
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonYou foolish man....teaching life is an accident, and the cosmos has no cause or design, is without evidence and illogical. (get honest and then speak)
What makes the religious scriptures “crap” is the fact that what they say/assume about the 'supernatural' is not based on logic nor evidence.
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Originally posted by vishvahetu"Dishonesty", "foolishness", "truth" here just come across as meaningless buzz words when you say them.
Religion and truth are one....and I will continue to expose the false teachings in religion and science as long as I see fit.
You are speaking for your self, and do not know if there is one person who will benefit from hearing the truth.
If one person benefits, then my work is done.
As for you, you have the madness disease and do not know what to do, or what not to do, because you are lost to dishonesty and foolishness.
In what way have I been dishonest?
Further, I expect it more likely, especially given your exposition of the vedas and the mindset of atheists; that I will win the lottery 123 times in 456 consecutive drawings with the numbers {1,2,3,4,5,6} (bad numbers to choose if you want to be a millionaire) than some atheist will drop their worldview in favour of yours.