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“...No I don't mean benefit to us is a test of plausibility. ...”
good; so you don't believe that it is a valid test -right? Whether the hypothesis being tested is one that assumes the existence of a supernatural thing or not -right?
“...I ask, why are we interested ? ...”
one reason is the same reason why a scientist would often be interest ...[text shortened]... tural?
We can pursue knowledge using scientific method without any such superstitious belief.
“...No I don't mean benefit to us is a test of plausibility. ...”
good; so you don't believe that it is a valid test -right? Whether the hypothesis being tested is one that assumes the existence of a supernatural thing or not -right?
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My entry into the conversation to you was really a simple thing.
Why are we really curious about life on another world ? And it is a genuine question.
I think that you suggest that there is some genuine curiosity to know just for knowledge's sake. Perhaps. But in the accumulative collection of knowledge what do we usually do ?
I think we usually end up trying to find out how such acquired knowledge can be channeled to improve our human existence.
I am all for scientific discovery. I think man should continue to ask questions and research as long as he can and it is financially feasible realistic to do so.
But concerning the improving of he human life, if someone comes to address that issue, I think I want to take seriously what is said.
Suppose the goal of human life improvement has to do with being able to start a fresh new life with the Holy Spirit of Christ indwelling men and women ? I want to hear also about that. And especially so if the Teacher has demonstrated a level of victory over human fraility, error, and even death itself.
I also marvel that such a Teacher did not spend time to devulge to His 12 dissciples the nature of quantum mechanics, or electro magnitism, or plate techtonics. If this Person was God incarnate as He claimed to be, I want to know what other things He seemed to put more priority on, and why ?
The goal in both cases is the deliverance of man from much that plagues man in misfortune, tragedy, inhumanity to each other, brokeness, sinfulness, and alienation.
In both cases the quality of life for human beings is a goal. I don't think the two, the Lordship of Christ and the curiosity of science, have to be antagonistic of each other.
One writer of a Gospel and the book of Acts was a medical physician - Luke. He was a traveling companion to the Apostle Paul.
Anyway, I think behind our insactiable curiosity about how the universe works is a desire to manipulate the laws of nature for a better human life. And I think that includes the searching for other habital planets or other asvanced civilizations on other planets.
I also marvel that such a Teacher did not spend time to devulge to His 12 dissciples the nature of quantum mechanics, or electro magnitism, or plate techtonics. If this Person was God incarnate as He claimed to be, I want to know what other things He seemed to put more priority on, and why ?
Well it sure would have been nice in Jerico if your lord had said something about plate tectonics. Would have been a big help in a lot of places in the world. My children, I would like to tell you a bit about your planet. It wiggles. And here are the places not to be when it does that, see, there is this thing called the ring of fire.....
Originally posted by sonhouseI am here to expose false teachings in religion and science for the benefit of those that have interest.
I was trying to understand your motivation for responding in this forum. At first I thought you were presenting your view so we would understand your philosophy.
Now it is clear you wanted no such thing. You are actively pursuing converts. That is called proselytizing. Christians are especially keen on this activity. It is how their power base grows. I'll ...[text shortened]... just like Islam, just like Christianity. Onion papers of temporal coherence and not much else.
The world is like it is (misdirected and corrupt and violent) because of false religion and dishonest science.
So this is why I show up, and I will continue to expose false teachings and present real spiritual truth, as long as I am able.
I am not interested in converts, this is your baseless attack because you are bitter and angry at the world.
So why dont you get relief from that, and take direction from the one true spiritual teaching /religion ( Vedanta Sutra) for your eternal benefit.
And if you say you dont accept Vedanta Sutra, then thats just the madness disease talking so just ignore it.
Be pro-active and start your spiritual life today, no time to lose.
Originally posted by vishvahetuWhilst reading your posts, I am often tempted to start eating meat again.
I am here to expose false teachings in religion and science for the benefit of those that have interest.
The world is like it is (misdirected and corrupt and violent) because of false religion and dishonest science.
So this is why I show up, and I will continue to expose false teachings and present real spiritual truth, as long as I am able.
I am ...[text shortened]... alking so just ignore it.
Be pro-active and start your spiritual life today, no time to lose.
Originally posted by vishvahetuIt's amazing how many religions claim all the OTHER religions are false. Your's is no different. Really a great god you have there, allowing such diametrically opposed views to hold sway over billions of people with nuclear weapons. Yessir, it's the one for me.
I am here to expose false teachings in religion and science for the benefit of those that have interest.
The world is like it is (misdirected and corrupt and violent) because of false religion and dishonest science.
So this is why I show up, and I will continue to expose false teachings and present real spiritual truth, as long as I am able.
I am ...[text shortened]... alking so just ignore it.
Be pro-active and start your spiritual life today, no time to lose.
Originally posted by sonhouseNo....your comment is in error, because there is only one true religion, and the rest are but substitute, that teach falsity.
It's amazing how many religions claim all the OTHER religions are false. Your's is no different. Really a great god you have there, allowing such diametrically opposed views to hold sway over billions of people with nuclear weapons. Yessir, it's the one for me.
Vedanta Sutra is eternal and is given to mankind at every new creation, but substitute religion is only relatively new, and is fabricated by fallible man.
There is a mammoth difference, and you would have to inquire sincerely to see this.... and then you will clearly see this yourself.
There are many teachings in Vedanta Sutra that go directly against Islam Christianity and Judaism, because only one is authorized, and the others are not.
It would be unfair for you to band them all together......because there is the real and unreal, and just looking at the situation quickly will not reveal this to you.
Christianity does not even accept the eternal soul, and that is a huge error for one to believe, and will only misdirect the person.
Originally posted by vishvahetu
No....your comment is in error, because there is only one true religion, and the rest are but substitute, that teach falsity.
Vedanta Sutra is eternal and is given to mankind at every new creation, but substitute religion is only relatively new, and is fabricated by fallible man.
There is a mammoth difference, and you would have to inquire sincerely ...[text shortened]... e eternal soul, and that is a huge error for one to believe, and will only misdirect the person.
It's amazing how many religions claim all the OTHER religions are false. Your's is no different...
No....your comment is in error, because there is only one true religion, and the rest are but substitute, that teach falsity...
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Originally posted by jaywill“...
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“...No I don't mean benefit to us is a test of plausibility. ...”
good; so you don't believe that it is a valid test -right? Whether the hypothesis being tested is one that assumes the existence of a supernatural thing or not -right?
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My entry into the conversation es the searching for other habital planets or other asvanced civilizations on other planets.[/b]
Why are we really curious about life on another world ? ...”
curiosity: does such life exists? If it does, how similar is it to Earth's life? Is there intelligent life out there? If so, is it like us? Or is that alien intellect so fundamentally and strangely different that we cannot understand it and they cannot understand us? Does that life have the same chemical building blocks as our own? Is that life silicon-based? (probably not, but who knows) Do trees evolve on other planets? etc etc. It begs many questions that we all (at least the curious) will love to know because we are curious -and we are curious even when we see no obvious benefit (for us).
Originally posted by vishvahetuHow do you know that it just so happens by amazing coincidence that it is exactly your religion that is the “true” one and nobody else’s?
No....your comment is in error, because there is only one true religion, and the rest are but substitute, that teach falsity.
Vedanta Sutra is eternal and is given to mankind at every new creation, but substitute religion is only relatively new, and is fabricated by fallible man.
There is a mammoth difference, and you would have to inquire sincerely ...[text shortened]... e eternal soul, and that is a huge error for one to believe, and will only misdirect the person.
Most theist think their and their religion alone is exactly the “true” one (I acknowledge that some theists believe that more than one is “true” and some even believe that all are “true”...somehow! -I don't know how they reconcile the many contradictions between the religions if they are ALL true! ).
you are no different from them in that respect. You are sure that yours is the “true” one but they are equally sure that theirs is the “true” one and everyone else’s is false.
So what makes your conviction any different or any more likely to be true from theirs? And if the answer to that is 'nothing', then how can you be rationally certain that yours is the true one or EVEN that yours is merely 'probably' or 'more likely' to be the true one!?
Actually, more to the point, how do you know that any are “true” ?
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonWhen an honest person hears truth, it resonates within their heart and they have their realization.
How do you know that it just so happens by amazing coincidence that it is exactly your religion that is the “true” one and nobody else’s?
Most theist think their and their religion alone is exactly the “true” one (I acknowledge that some theists believe that more than one is “true” and some even believe that all are “true”...somehow! -I don't know h ...[text shortened]... o be the true one!?
Actually, more to the point, how do you know that any are “true” ?
When they hear falsity, there is no realization.
Truth comes to us in four ways:
1. From the lips of the pure teacher. (the Guru)
2. From the pure bona-fide scripture given by the Personality of Godhead. (Vedanta Sutra)
3. From the commentaries of pure devotees.
4. From within the heart (knowledge from the super soul within)
When these four sources are saying the exact same thing, then you have perfect truth.
And the Vedic teachings are eternal and are not a current fabrication like the other substitute religions of to-day.
Even if you use a little bit of common sense, and look at the differences between Vedanta Sutra and substitute religion, then you will see a vast difference of teaching.........one is true without error, and the others have much error.
Originally posted by vishvahetuThis is delusion. You only "realise" it because that is what you are psychologically most comfortable with due to environment and upbringing.
When an honest person hears truth, it resonates within their heart and they have their realization.
When they hear falsity, there is no realization.
People brought up in a Christian environment will most likely "realise" that Christianity is true.
Originally posted by vishvahetuI will post this yet and yet again, until you suddenly see the errors of your posts.
When an honest person hears truth, it resonates within their heart and they have their realization.
When they hear falsity, there is no realization.
Truth comes to us in four ways:
1. From the lips of the pure teacher. (the Guru)
2. From the pure bona-fide scripture given by the Personality of Godhead. (Vedanta Sutra)
3. From the commentari ...[text shortened]... a vast difference of teaching.........one is true without error, and the others have much error.
Call me a mad Buddhist if you like, but your interpretations are indoctrined and see no other open path, rather than your own!
Primitive man found himself in a dangerous and hostile world. The fear of wild animals; of not being able to find enough food; of injury or disease, and of natural phenomena like thunder, lightning and volcanoes was constantly with him. Finding no security, he created the idea of gods in order to give him comfort in good times, courage in times of danger and consolation when things went wrong. To this day, you will notice that people become more religious at times of crises, and you will hear them say that the belief in a god or gods gives them the strength they need to deal with life. You will hear them explain that they believe in a particular god because they prayed in time of need and their prayer was answered. All this seems to support the Buddha’s teaching that the god-idea is a response to fear and frustration. The Buddha taught us to try to understand our fears, to lessen our desires and to calmly and courageously accept the things we cannot change. He replaced fear, not with irrational belief but with rational understanding.
The second reason the Buddha did not believe in a god is because there does not seem to be any evidence to support this idea. There are numerous religions, all claiming that they alone have god’s words preserved in their holy book, that they alone understand god’s nature and that their god exists and that the gods of other religions do not. Some claim that god is masculine, some that she is feminine and others that it is neuter. They are all satisfied that there is ample evidence to prove the existence of their god but they laugh in disbelief at the evidence other religions use to prove the existence of another god. It is not surprising that with so many different religions, spending so many centuries trying to prove the existence of their gods, that still no real, concrete, substantial or irrefutable evidence has been found. Buddhists suspend judgement until such evidence is forthcoming.
The third reason the Buddha did not believe in a god is that the belief is not necessary. Some claim that the belief in a god is necessary in order to explain the origin on the universe. But Buddhists believe this is not so. Science has very convincingly explained how the universe came into, being without having to introduce the god-idea. Some claim that belief in god is necessary to have a happy, meaningful life. Again we can see that this is not so. There are millions of atheists and free-thinkers, not to mention many Buddhists, who live useful, happy and meaningful lives without belief in a god. Some claim that belief in god’s power is necessary because humans, being weak, do not have the strength to help themselves. Once again, the evidence indicates the opposite. One often hears of people who have overcome great disabilities and handicaps, enormous odds and difficulties, through their own inner resources, through their own efforts and without belief in a god. Some claim that god is necessary in order to give man salvation. But this argument only holds good if you accept the theological concept of salvation and Buddhists do not accept such a concept. Based on his own experience, the Buddha saw that each human being had the capacity to purify the mind, develop infinite love and compassion and perfect understanding. He shifted attention from the heavens to the heart, and He encouraged us to find solutions to our problems through self-understanding.
If you can get a slight understanding of what the content above contains, then you will see, and not be blind to, that acceptance of all religions is a must. As for Gods, yes, believe in yours, but do not take away from others in their beliefs. If you do so, that marks you as a heathen and untruthful, even in your own book you quote from! That resonates loudly in this forum too.
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Originally posted by sonhousepiece of nonsense, Christ never claimed to be God incarnate, perhaps you have a reference where indeed this is the case, for having studied scripture for fifteen years i have yet to find one. This post betrays the folly of the materialist, when will you people realise that knowing how a cake was baked tells us nothing about why it was baked nor for whom it was baked, the sooner you realise the limitations of science the better for all, but nooooo, its a God for you, you look to it for answers, consult it for a life perspective, get incredulous when persons question its tenets, utter mantras based on dogma and conjecture and venerate its luminaries! All hail the God of science, we ask him a simple question, why?, a question which demands reason and look, he remains silent!
I also marvel that such a Teacher did not spend time to devulge to His 12 dissciples the nature of quantum mechanics, or electro magnitism, or plate techtonics. If this Person was God incarnate as He claimed to be, I want to know what other things He seemed to put more priority on, and why ?
Well it sure would have been nice in Jerico if your lord had s ...[text shortened]... re the places not to be when it does that, see, there is this thing called the ring of fire.....