Originally posted by vishvahetuThe contents in a living cell is nothing more than carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, and some other elements, the same elements found elsewhere. There is no elements of life.
Life IS the supernatural, and if it wasn't then you could make some life in your test tube....but you cannot do this.
Put together, in the correct order, atom for atom, and you will have a living cell again. No spiritual substance needed.
But we don't have the technology to do it, yet. It's a matter of time. A syntetic DNA has been produced in vitro, and when inserted in a living cell, then it began to work as any other cell.
Bottom line - life isn't supernatural.
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Well that's a big Duh, scientific curiosity driving up the quality of human existence. It for sure hasn't come from some infinitely powerful god. I don't know how you can continue to cling to the god myth when you see people living their lives in absolute pain, like that family recently on the discovery channel where all the family members have some kind of ...[text shortened]... n their face, arms, chest back, etc. So what huge plan is there for a god to let that happen?
Well that's a big Duh, scientific curiosity driving up the quality of human existence. It for sure hasn't come from some infinitely powerful god.
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I don't share your skepticism. Millions who have enjoyed the God of resurrection would instead give thanks to this God.
That is the God that you trying to rid the world of.
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I don't know how you can continue to cling to the god myth when you see people living their lives in absolute pain,
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Oh, I don't have to cling desperately to anything. God's keeping power holds me fast. Seems like you're the one struggling to cling to your mythology.
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like that family recently on the discovery channel where all the family members have some kind of tumor completely coving there entire body, tennis ball sized tumors not cancerous so they have to live with tennis ball sized tumors on their face, arms, chest back, etc. So what huge plan is there for a god to let that happen?
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If God was only the God of people who were comfortable He wouldn't be much of a God.
And physical sores are sometimes less horrible then the tumors on people's souls, like some of the ideas which are draining the spiritual life out of you.
They are quite ugly tumors too eating away at your own soul.
But for the record, we can never fall so low that Christ's love and grace can not come under us and support us - cancer and all.
Originally posted by jaywillI imagine you would sing a different song if it was you in the unfortunate body of one of the members of that family. One woman with half her face falling off. Nice god you have there. Has a great plan for this woman I guess. What, in her next life she will be a world leader having gone through the pain of a horrible existence? What nonsense.
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Well that's a big Duh, scientific curiosity driving up the quality of human existence. It for sure hasn't come from some infinitely powerful god.
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I don't share your skepticism. Millions who have enjoyed the God of resurrection would instead give thanks ...[text shortened]... ow that Christ's love and grace can not come under us and support us - cancer and all.[/b]
She is as she is BECAUSE there is no god watching down. She is what she is because of a genetic defect in her whole families DNA. There is no cure, only continuous operations to remove golf ball sized tumors all over her body. Yessir, god has great plans for her........
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Originally posted by sonhouseYou have no idea of what I have experienced or what losses I have suffered in my family.
I imagine you would sing a different song if it was you in the unfortunate body of one of the members of that family. One woman with half her face falling off. Nice god you have there. Has a great plan for this woman I guess. What, in her next life she will be a world leader having gone through the pain of a horrible existence? What nonsense.
She is as she ...[text shortened]... to remove golf ball sized tumors all over her body. Yessir, god has great plans for her........
I am singing the song that God is living and Jesus Christ is Lord. Of what possible profit could it be to adopt your philosophy ? None whatsoever.
You just so desperately love your filthy life of sinning that you will go to all rationales to keep God out of your world.
"For everyone who practices evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, that his works may be reproved."
I think that is all you really care about. You just love your godless life of sin. Sinhouse.
Originally posted by jaywillMan you have got a screw loose!
You have no idea of what I have experienced or what losses I have suffered in my family.
I am singing the song that God is living and Jesus Christ is Lord. Of what possible profit could it be to adopt your philosophy ? None whatsoever.
You just so desperately love your filthy life of sinning that you will go to all rationales to keep God out of your ...[text shortened]... I think that is all you really care about. You just love your godless life of sin. Sinhouse.
Originally posted by jaywillthat's not what I said.
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No, but nobody I know of claims it would and I don't see what that has to do with anything so I don't see the point you are trying making here.
Unless you imply that the truth or falsity of the hypothesis that there exists aliens should be judge on what if any benefits such a discovery would make on our social liv ...[text shortened]... ng to make human life better ?
They have absolutely nothing to do with each other ?
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Originally posted by jaywill“...No I don't mean benefit to us is a test of plausibility. ...”
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Unless you imply that the truth or falsity of the hypothesis that there exists aliens should be judge on what if any benefits such a discovery would make on our social lives as opposed to being judge on the evidence? -surely you don't mean that, right?
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No I don't mea ...[text shortened]... nd if such contact did not result in an improvement of the human lot, what then ? What next ??[/b]
good; so you don't believe that it is a valid test -right? Whether the hypothesis being tested is one that assumes the existence of a supernatural thing or not -right?
“...I ask, why are we interested ? ...”
one reason is the same reason why a scientist would often be interested; curiosity.
“...And I think the answer is related to our longing for a better life for humans. ...”
that often is the reason. Medical research goes into that category. But what, if anything, does that have to do with the plausibility of a hypothesis? And what, if anything, does that have to do with any belief in the supernatural?
We can pursue knowledge using scientific method without any such superstitious belief.
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Originally posted by vishvahetuBy the same token you should be able to rustle up a magic carpet for us...you are supernatural afterall!
Life IS the supernatural, and if it wasn't then you could make some life in your test tube....but you cannot do this.
Where is my ant?
You have the madness disease which means you cannot perceive reality, so you think that there is something wrong with people that can perceive reality.
come on vishy...chop chop!
Originally posted by jaywillSo we are down to Ad Hominem attacks. I was questioning why there would be a family with that much trouble, I doubt very seriously you have had to deal with the problems they have on a daily basis. You should live in their shoes for a while, say a lifetime, then come back to me and tell me about some benevolent god. Why don't you tell me why this god of yours lets an entire family go through life with tennis ball sized tumors on 90% of their bodies and present science can do nothing but cut them off as they grow back. Sure, I bet you have had travails easily as bad as theirs.......
You have no idea of what I have experienced or what losses I have suffered in my family.
I am singing the song that God is living and Jesus Christ is Lord. Of what possible profit could it be to adopt your philosophy ? None whatsoever.
You just so desperately love your filthy life of sinning that you will go to all rationales to keep God out of your ...[text shortened]... I think that is all you really care about. You just love your godless life of sin. Sinhouse.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasPeople with the madness disease believe this, with absolutely no evidence.....its called atheism and goes actually against science.
The contents in a living cell is nothing more than carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, and some other elements, the same elements found elsewhere. There is no elements of life.
Put together, in the correct order, atom for atom, and you will have a living cell again. No spiritual substance needed.
But we don't have the technology to do it, yet. It's ...[text shortened]... ving cell, then it began to work as any other cell.
Bottom line - life isn't supernatural.
And to accept this, the intelligence is defective.
The world is like it is (crazy) because of this thinking.
Its people who talk like this that are the problem, not the solution. are you proud.
So what is consciousness, free will, love, intelligence, ego, cognition.....and what chemicals make these things....you dont know, because chemicals do not make these things at all.
Wheres my ant?
Originally posted by vishvahetuYou are quite misinformed. Why I believe this? Because you attack rather than explain your views. You don't nothing about the case. Why not admit it?
People with the madness disease believe this, with absolutely no evidence.....its called atheism and goes actually against science.
And to accept this, the intelligence is defective.
The world is like it is (crazy) because of this thinking.
Its people who talk like this that are the problem, not the solution. are you proud.
So what is consciou ...[text shortened]... se things....you dont know, because chemicals do not make these things at all.
Wheres my ant?
Originally posted by vishvahetu...Wheres my ant?
People with the madness disease believe this, with absolutely no evidence.....its called atheism and goes actually against science.
And to accept this, the intelligence is defective.
The world is like it is (crazy) because of this thinking.
Its people who talk like this that are the problem, not the solution. are you proud.
So what is consciou ...[text shortened]... se things....you dont know, because chemicals do not make these things at all.
Wheres my ant?
where's my magic carpet?
Originally posted by vishvahetuI was trying to understand your motivation for responding in this forum. At first I thought you were presenting your view so we would understand your philosophy.
People with the madness disease believe this, with absolutely no evidence.....its called atheism and goes actually against science.
And to accept this, the intelligence is defective.
The world is like it is (crazy) because of this thinking.
Its people who talk like this that are the problem, not the solution. are you proud.
So what is consciou ...[text shortened]... se things....you dont know, because chemicals do not make these things at all.
Wheres my ant?
Now it is clear you wanted no such thing. You are actively pursuing converts. That is called proselytizing. Christians are especially keen on this activity. It is how their power base grows. I'll give you a hint: it didn't work. You are just another human who has an ancient onionlike database built on nothing but what works to build another power base, just like Islam, just like Christianity. Onion papers of temporal coherence and not much else.