15 Mar 15
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieBehaving like a child when challenged over your statements is not good forum etiquette. You have made a claim that there is scriptural evidence in this thread to support roigam's claim that Christians are kept alive in Jehovah's memory.
then debate with someone that is interested in what you have to say, that would not be me, I am not interested in anything you have to say. Sorry, maybe someone else is.
You and I both know roigam is off message and you can't defend him which is the real reason why you are behaving like this. It's quite amusing.
15 Mar 15
Originally posted by divegeesterEngage with someone that's is interested in what you have to say. I do not believe your propaganda. Its tedious, empty pettiness at its most banal. Why can you not accept the fact that I find it boring I cannot say. You really have nothing of interest, seriously, please go away and pester someone else, someone that's interested in what you have to say. That is not me. This is the last time I will say it.
Behaving like a child when challenged over your statements is not good forum etiquette. You have made a claim that there is scriptural evidence in this thread to support roigam's claim that [b]Christians are kept alive in Jehovah's memory.
You and I both know roigam is off message and you can't defend him which is the real reason why you are behaving like this. It's quite amusing.[/b]
15 Mar 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieRobbie, this is a debate forum and I'm challenging you and roigam on a claims you each have made in this thread. Doing this is not "propaganda". Of course if you are unable to engage and address my challenges you are free to duck out.
Engage with someone that's is interested in what you have to say. I do not believe your propaganda. Its tedious, empty pettiness at its most banal. Why can you not accept the fact that I find it boring I cannot say. You really have nothing of interest, seriously, please go away and pester someone else, someone that's interested in what you have to say. That is not me. This is the last time I will say it.
16 Mar 15
Originally posted by divegeesterI am thinking you should let this go.
Bump for roigam.
Roigam can you support with scripture, your claim that Christians are kept alive in Jehovah's memory?
I understand your desire to prove the JW dogma unjustified in scripture, but surely even you can see that this constant brow-beating by you for the last three pages, half of the thread, does not in any way promote the title of this thread.
They've already acknowledged they cannot justify their dogma, except perhaps through their own version of scripture specifically designed to support their already-existing man-made dogma. So maybe it's time to turn the other cheek?
I dunno, just a thought.
Originally posted by SuzianneThe solution is rather simple, he should engage someone that is interested in what he has to say.
I am thinking you should let this go.
I understand your desire to prove the JW dogma unjustified in scripture, but surely even you can see that this constant brow-beating by you for the last three pages, half of the thread, does not in any way promote the title of this thread.
They've already acknowledged they cannot justify their dogma, except perhap ...[text shortened]... xisting man-made dogma. So maybe it's time to turn the other cheek?
I dunno, just a thought.
You for your part have not demonstrated nor can you nor will you why the term 'in Gods memory' is as you have allegedly stated either dogmatic, man made or in anyway at odds with what is written in scripture as has been expounded here. You like to make these rather silly statements and think that they have some efficacy when in fact everyone knows they are nothing but empty propaganda and when called upon to explain why they are dogmatic, man made and at odds with what is written in scripture as has been expounded here you make the usual trite and emotional remarks. I cannot think of a single instance where you have had the honesty and decency to back your words up with actual facts, instead we are treated to your propaganda, as far removed from fact as you can possible get.
16 Mar 15
Originally posted by SuzianneYou offering unsolicited advice on forum behaviour is an interesting proposition; perhaps you are being humorous. Are you?
I am thinking you should let this go.
I understand your desire to prove the JW dogma unjustified in scripture, but surely even you can see that this constant brow-beating by you for the last three pages, half of the thread, does not in any way promote the title of this thread.
They've already acknowledged they cannot justify their dogma, except perhap ...[text shortened]... xisting man-made dogma. So maybe it's time to turn the other cheek?
I dunno, just a thought.
16 Mar 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI am interested in what you and roigam have to say. That you don't like me taking an interest in your claims is neither here nor there as this is a public debate forum and you and roigam are making public statements in it. All i'm doing is challenging you both - I'm sorry that you find this upsetting.
the solution is rather simple, he should engage someone that is interested in what he has to say.
16 Mar 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI don't believe I was talking to you.
The solution is rather simple, he should engage someone that is interested in what he has to say.
You for your part have not demonstrated nor can you nor will you why the term 'in Gods memory' is as you have allegedly stated either dogmatic, man made or in anyway at odds with what is written in scripture as has been expounded here. You like to ...[text shortened]... ts, instead we are treated to your propaganda, as far removed from fact as you can possible get.
16 Mar 15
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Originally posted by divegeesterI'm just saying that spending half of the thread in FMF-style brow-beating probably doesn't belong in a thread entitled "The Righteousness of Christ".
You offering unsolicited advice on forum behaviour is an interesting proposition; perhaps you are being humorous. Are you?
I think your point has been proved. He can't defend what was said. If he could, he would have by now.
The rest is just punitive.
16 Mar 15
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Originally posted by SuzianneYou are of course welcome to your opinions, but I am responding to comments made in this thread, I'm not "brow-beating" anyone.
I'm just saying that spending half of the thread in FMF-style brow-beating probably doesn't belong in a thread entitled "The Righteousness of Christ".
I think your point has been proved. The rest is just punitive.
Besides, robbie carrobie has chosen to duck out and I accept his right to do that, I'm waiting on roigam now.
16 Mar 15
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Originally posted by divegeesterI agree, Your constant taking issue with our beliefs is tiresome and you do not seem to be able to reason on Scripture. I can find at least 3 Scriptures that indicate Jehovah's remembering those who die. Why should I share them with you?
You are of course welcome to your opinions, but I am responding to comments made in this thread, I'm not "brow-beating" anyone.
Besides, robbie carrobie has chosen to duck out and I accept his right to do that, I'm waiting on roigam now.
Additionally, I gave several Scriptures that show that the dead are dead and not alive somewhere else. Suss it out for yourself. The same goes for Suzianne.
If you ever truly want answers to a valid question, let me know.
P.S. don't bump me on this, I bruise easy.
16 Mar 15
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Originally posted by KingOnPointFor KOP:
Sonhouse,
Where is there any information that we don't have souls. Has that possible thought ever been proven right? The bible speaks of a soul in Genesis of the bible.
Genesis 2: 7 (KJV)
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
I would like to share another thought with you on the subject of the "soul".
I'm not clear on what your understanding is about the soul.
You cited:
(Genesis 2:7) And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man "became" a living person. (soul in KJ)
It did not say he came to "have" a living soul.
Also, (Genesis 2:17) But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” This says "die" not live on forever.
After Adam & Eve sinned God said: (Genesis 3:19) In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
Christ Jesus died to regain that potential everlasting life that Adam lost, but that obviously has not yet been applied to mankind as we all still die.
Does that help to make it clearer?
16 Mar 15
Originally posted by roigamAnd there are other scriptures that say the dead are "asleep".
I agree, Your constant taking issue with our beliefs is tiresome and you do not seem to be able to reason on Scripture. I can find at least 3 Scriptures that indicate Jehovah's remembering those who die. Why should I share them with you?
Additionally, I gave several Scriptures that show that the dead are dead and not alive somewhere else. Suss it out for yo ...[text shortened]... truly want answers to a valid question, let me know.
P.S. don't bump me on this, I bruise easy.
I'm sure divegeester could involve you in a discussion about souls.
And what about this?
"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence." -- Luke 16:22-26, KJV
If the rich man were "dead", and not in a "soul-body"*, then how was he able to communicate with Abraham, who also was supposedly "dead", and how was he "tormented"?
* Or whatever terminology you prefer.