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In another thread I asked if Satan is a God. (Thread 118513) I got no replies.
If Satan is a God, then God is infact not the only god there is.
If Satan is not a God, then what is he? Why being so afraid of him? Then he has no power superior to God's, God can cruch him whenever He wants, Satan can do no harm. Worshipping Satan is futile.
Is this definition wrong - "A god is a supernatural being with powers."
If so, is there a better one?
01 Sep 09
Originally posted by FabianFnasFirst of all, according to the rules of English, you should not capitalize the word if it is general ie 'god' not 'God' unless there is only one God.
In another thread I asked if Satan is a God. (Thread 118513) I got no replies.
If Satan is a God, then God is infact not the only god there is.
If Satan is not a God, then what is he? Why being so afraid of him? Then he has no power superior to God's, God can cruch him whenever He wants, Satan can do no harm. Worshipping Satan is futil ...[text shortened]... efinition wrong - "A god is a supernatural being with powers."
If so, is there a better one?
Secondly, it all depends on how you choose to define the word 'god'. Even some men can rightly be called 'a god among men'.
I believe the Bible even refers to other gods.
But whether or not you choose to call Satan a god is separate from whether or not you believe he is stronger than God in any way. I think you will find most theists believe God is superior in every way, though why he is not crushed instantly as you suggest is not something I have heard an answer to. It is strongly related to the whole 'existence of evil' problem that theism constantly struggles with.
I think one possible argument is that Satan has free will too and God does not want to violate it.
01 Sep 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadOkay, thank you for the corrrection in the mysterious English language.
First of all, according to the rules of English, you should not capitalize the word if it is general ie 'god' not 'God' unless there is only one God.
Secondly, it all depends on how you choose to define the word 'god'. Even some men can rightly be called 'a god among men'.
I believe the Bible even refers to other gods.
But whether or not you choose to ...[text shortened]... possible argument is that Satan has free will too and God does not want to violate it.
Does this mean that Satan is a god?
Or you mean that Satan is not a god?
I think that Satan and God is two unseparate entities. There can't be one without the other. If you believe of the existance of one, then you automatically belive in the existance of the other.
In your answer I can read that God accept's Satan as an alike, correct?
01 Sep 09
Originally posted by FabianFnasAs I said, it all depends on your definition. I believe the Bible mentions gods in various places, but then that is the English version translated from various other languages, so one would really have to look at the original, and decide whether it means something similar to what you mean by 'god' and whether or not Satan fits that definition.
Does this mean that Satan is a god?
Or you mean that Satan is not a god?
I rather suspect that the gods mentioned in the Bible are intended to be entities quite different from Satan but I am not sure in what ways.
At least one version I have heard about who or what Satan is, is that he was an angel. Of course there are supposedly different types of angels, but I have never heard any of them being referred to as gods.
So I would say that most theists would probably not use the term 'god' when referring to Satan.
I think that Satan and God is two unseparate entities. There can't be one without the other. If you believe of the existance of one, then you automatically belive in the existance of the other.
It is not quite clear what you are saying here.
1. Are you saying that there is a logical or theological reason why Satan must exist if God exists,
2. or are you saying that if you believe in part of Theism then you must accept the full doctrine?
If 2. then I disagree. There are quite a lot of theists (some of whom call themselves Christians) who do not really believe in either Satan or Hell. There may even be some religions that have a 'God' and no 'Satan' or equivalent. There are certainly religions with multiple gods - none of whom are really 'Satan'.
In your answer I can read that God accept's Satan as an alike, correct?
No. I think that according to some theology, God respects certain things like free will and will not totally destroy Satan for that reason. I don't think that equates to seeing him as an 'alike'.
01 Sep 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes please, a good ref would be great.
in a Biblical context it is self evident that Satan is a god. if you need the references, just ask.
So, according to your opinion, when a cristian says "There is only one god, and that's is God!", he forgets about Satan? Or does he mean "There is only one god worth worshipping, and that's God!"?
01 Sep 09
Originally posted by FabianFnasThe origins of and evil God satan have its roots in Egyptian and babylonian mythology and are not part of the original judeaic religion. If Judeism is truly monotheistic then satan does not exist, otherwise it is dualism, 2 opposing forces.....in theory
In another thread I asked if Satan is a God. (Thread 118513) I got no replies.
If Satan is a God, then God is infact not the only god there is.
If Satan is not a God, then what is he? Why being so afraid of him? Then he has no power superior to God's, God can cruch him whenever He wants, Satan can do no harm. Worshipping Satan is futil ...[text shortened]... efinition wrong - "A god is a supernatural being with powers."
If so, is there a better one?
01 Sep 09
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Originally posted by FabianFnasthere are many gods Fabian, but only one Almighty God, plus a god could be anything that we give undue attention or devotion to, so that it also may not necessarily be considered a spiritual entity, as is the case with Satan
Yes please, a good ref would be great.
So, according to your opinion, when a cristian says "There is only one god, and that's is God!", he forgets about Satan? Or does he mean "There is only one god worth worshipping, and that's God!"?
(Matthew 4:8-10) . . .Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, and he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, . . .
evidently Satan has influence over the earth, otherwise, he would have no authority to tempt Christ by offering him the Kingdoms of the world. This is why he is described as the god of the system of things.
(2 Corinthians 4:3-4) . . .If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.
this is compounded by this statement,
(1 John 5:19-21) . . .We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one. But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting. Little children, guard yourselves from idols.
this last phrase is interesting for anything which comes between a Christian and his God, in which he gives undue attention to , may be considered, idolatry, and by extension, a god, thus Paul speaks of those who have made gods of their bellies, because of being gluttonous.
sorry for the length of post but I could not make it smaller without omitting too many details.
01 Sep 09
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Originally posted by dueceroh Deucer, who was Christ talking to in the wilderness, when he was tempted? RajK666?
The origins of and evil God satan have its roots in Egyptian and babylonian mythology and are not part of the original judeaic religion. If Judeism is truly monotheistic then satan does not exist, otherwise it is dualism, 2 opposing forces.....in theory
01 Sep 09
Originally posted by duecerI wonder what 'the original judeaic religion' refers to. Do you mean what Abraham believed? What Adam believed? I think the concept within Judaism is fairly old but I don't know how old. Do you know?
The origins of and evil God satan have its roots in Egyptian and babylonian mythology and are not part of the original judeaic religion. If Judeism is truly monotheistic then satan does not exist, otherwise it is dualism, 2 opposing forces.....in theory
I am sure that even with Satan included you can still rightly call it monotheism ie belief in a single deity. I suspect that Satan is not a deity. But many of these words have fairly loose definitions.
01 Sep 09
Originally posted by FabianFnas'god' or 'demi-god. ' IMHO.
In another thread I asked if Satan is a God. (Thread 118513) I got no replies.
If Satan is a God, then God is infact not the only god there is.
If Satan is not a God, then what is he? Why being so afraid of him? Then he has no power superior to God's, God can cruch him whenever He wants, Satan can do no harm. Worshipping Satan is futil ...[text shortened]... efinition wrong - "A god is a supernatural being with powers."
If so, is there a better one?
Good question Fabian! cheers!
01 Sep 09
Why are you all wasting time talking about this little defeated snake? Christ has crushed the Devil and defeated him. All we need to do is remind the little snake that he has been vanquished by Christ.
I wonder about people who have morbid curiosity to talk about Satan. If they ignore him as a figment of some imagination, he is happy. But if they have a morbid fascination with him, he is happy.
He is saddened by the truth - Christ has defeated Satan and the believers in Christ are victorious over him. His future is quite miserable - eternal damnation.
The victory of Jesus over Satan works from the inside of a man to the outside. From the inside working out is the victory of Jesus over Satan.
You have to apply it.
01 Sep 09
Originally posted by jaywillActually he is very powerful Jaywill, i would not underestimate him, in the book of revelation he drags a third of the stars with him, John states that he is powerful, having dominion over the earth, Peter states he is alike a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone. My opinion is that he is a megalomaniac, desiring the worship that is rightly due to God.
Why are you all wasting time talking about this little defeated snake? Christ has crushed the Devil and defeated him. All we need to do is remind the little snake that he has been vanquished by Christ.
I wonder about people who have morbid curiosity to talk about Satan. If they ignore him as a figment of some imagination, he is happy. But if they have a ...[text shortened]... tside. From the inside working out is the victory of Jesus over Satan.
You have to apply it.
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01 Sep 09
Originally posted by FabianFnasSatan is the God that wrote the Bible to create division. (That 's what I learned from another thread.)
Okay, thank you for the corrrection in the mysterious English language.
Does this mean that Satan is a god?
Or you mean that Satan is not a god?
I think that Satan and God is two unseparate entities. There can't be one without the other. If you believe of the existance of one, then you automatically belive in the existance of the other.
In your answer I can read that God accept's Satan as an alike, correct?