Satan as Suffering Hero

Zeus wanted to keep mankind in an animal-like state, without the ability to use fire.
Prometheus stole fire from Zeus and gave it to the people.
Zeus punishes Prometheus for eternity.

God wanted to keep humans in an animal-like state, without the ability to determine right and wrong (basically, free will).
Satan gifted that knowledge to the people.
God punishes Satan for eternity.

Originally posted by apathist
God wanted to keep humans in an animal-like state, without the ability to determine right and wrong (basically, free will).
Satan gifted that knowledge to the people.
God punishes Satan for eternity.

Why would that make him a hero? Wouldn't you rather women still walked around naked?

Originally posted by apathist
Zeus wanted to keep mankind in an animal-like state, without the ability to use fire.
Prometheus stole fire from Zeus and gave it to the people.
Zeus punishes Prometheus for eternity.

God wanted to keep humans in an animal-like state, without the ability to determine right and wrong (basically, free will).
Satan gifted that knowledge to the people.
God punishes Satan for eternity.

Yoda wanted to keep Anakin Skywalker ignorant of the darkside of the force.
The Sith Lord promises Skywalker that he will give him the secret to mastering death.
Yoda tries to punish the Sith lord,....but fails and goes into exile. (No, doesn't quite work).

Originally posted by twhitehead
Why would that make him a hero? Wouldn't you rather women still walked around naked?

Without them eating the apple there's no point in women walking around in the altogether, you'd be as excited about it as a small child would be.

Originally posted by DeepThought
Without them eating the apple there's no point in women walking around in the altogether, you'd be as excited about it as a small child would be.

So you are saying that God made eve look sexy purely for his own enjoyment? And those reproductive parts were only added later? Or are you saying we would still be having sex but not know how good it feels?

Zeus wanted to keep mankind in an animal-like state, ...

If that's what Greek mythology shows, then I didn't know Zeus had so much in common with Charles Darwin and Richard Dawkins.

without the ability to determine right and wrong (basically, free will).
Satan gifted that knowledge to the people.

Satan "gifted" mankind with himself. And with him came sin and death.

"The tree of the knowledge of good and evil" was false advertizing to conceal Satan's real purpose, to engulf humans in his own failed rebellion against God, and his own dynamic withdrawal into death.

Beware of false advertising. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil really was a tree of death. It was a thrust to be independent from God as the source of life. The result could only be sin and death.

Every life is dependent. It was only truth that the created man also, could not be but dying if he sought, like Satan, to be independent from his Creator.

God punishes Satan for eternity.

And every moment of his torment will be another moment of rejoicing in God's eternal purpose to us who have been saved and brought back to God, to the Father, the Divine Person and eternal life.

Why would God [not Zues] create man in His image and in His own likeness uniquely if He did not do so for one animal ?

Why would God [not Zues] have Adam alone name all the animals, saying whatever he called them, that is what they were ?

Genesis does not at all present man as wholly the same as animals.
Nor does it present man as wholly unlike them.
There is a connection, yet there is a unique distinction.

Man is connected to all other creatures yet at the top of the pinnacle and ALONE involving God saying -

" ... Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness ..." (Gen 1:26)

To no other creature created on earth did God assign the deputy authority to have dominion over all God's creation.

" ... and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of heaven and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."

The ones you should blame for wanting to keep man an animal are the scientists who predict that the cock roach is more suited to inherit the planet than human beings.

The ones you should blame for wanting to keep man an animal are the philosophers claiming that man is pretty much just a shaved monkey.

" Darwinian man, though well behaved, at best is but a monkey shaved." - Gilbert and Sullivan

Gilbert and Sullivan got the point of Evolution, if you didn't.

I think creating the talking snake was a mistake.

Originally posted by apathist
Zeus wanted to keep mankind in an animal-like state, without the ability to use fire.
Prometheus stole fire from Zeus and gave it to the people.
Zeus punishes Prometheus for eternity.

God wanted to keep humans in an animal-like state, without the ability to determine right and wrong (basically, free will).
Satan gifted that knowledge to the people.
God punishes Satan for eternity.

God wanted to keep humans in an animal-like state, without the ability to determine right and wrong (basically, free will).
404.
God made man in His image; among other 'ins' was the 'in' of free will.
Man was given free will to choose between two systems: the one he was created into, Life, and the one he was tricked/pussy-whipped into, the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Two different systems.
Prior to making the conscious decision for the latter, he and the woman spent every day for an undetermined amount of time enjoying the company of one another, of God and of all the bounty of the rest of the Garden.
Paradise.
Had free will from the moment the first breath was drawn until the day he took his last breath on the planet.
In between, he gave up Paradise in order to enter the system labeled the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Not once did he lose his free will.

While in Paradise, there was no "Good and Evil," there was simply "Life."
It was (as the hip urbane urban hipsters say) 'all good.'

What Satan offered was not an offer, but rather, a swap: leave God's system and have your eyes opened to this crazy cool system, one in which you will see things God doesn't want you to seeReveal Hidden Content if you but take a bite from the fruit of that special tree.

The woman, tricked, bit the hook-line-and-sinked her.
The man, pussy whipped, followed right in tow.

Satan intended to pull a fast one on God, but the end game is revealing the limitations of his genius: God used Satan's deceit to bring salvation to all mankind.

At least, for those who are interested.

Originally posted by Captain Strange
I think creating the talking snake was a mistake.

Obeying ANY voice encouraging us that God lied is a mistake - man, snake, angel or otherwise.

I think that is the point - WHAT was said was a lie, no matter who or what said so.
God's word counts. Any speaking to go against God's word is to be not heeded.

In the beginning of man's life on earth a speaking serpent enticed man to revolt against God.

In the last of days a speaking IDOL of some kind will do the enticing.

"And he [the false prophet] deceives those who dwell on the earth on account of the signs which he was given power to do before the beast,

commanding those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast [Antichrist] , who had the stroke of the sword and revived.

And power was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast that the image of the beast might even speak and cause whoever would not worship the beast to be killed." (Rev. 13:14,15)

From a talking "subtle" serpent in the beginning to a talking image idol of some kind, the voice of Satan leads to damnation.

Originally posted by twhitehead
So you are saying that God made eve look sexy purely for his own enjoyment? And those reproductive parts were only added later? Or are you saying we would still be having sex but not know how good it feels?

They don't realise they are naked until after eating the apple, it's how they're found out.

Originally posted by apathist
Zeus wanted to keep mankind in an animal-like state, without the ability to use fire.
Prometheus stole fire from Zeus and gave it to the people.
Zeus punishes Prometheus for eternity.

God wanted to keep humans in an animal-like state, without the ability to determine right and wrong (basically, free will).
Satan gifted that knowledge to the people.
God punishes Satan for eternity.

No, God didn't want man to be fallen by having sin introduced to them. Mankind was not
ready for what the tree gave them, the proof of that was when Satan tempted them and
they went after the selfish choice and than started to lie and cast blame. The only thing
that Satan did was pollute the human race and cause millions to twisted by sin and
causing them to join his failed rebellion, which will also cause them to suffer his fate on
the day of judgment.

Originally posted by apathist
Zeus wanted to keep mankind in an animal-like state, without the ability to use fire.
Prometheus stole fire from Zeus and gave it to the people.
Zeus punishes Prometheus for eternity.

God wanted to keep humans in an animal-like state, without the ability to determine right and wrong (basically, free will).
Satan gifted that knowledge to the people.
God punishes Satan for eternity.

This kind of reasoning reminds me of my college days in our philosophy class.

A student wrote:

1. Happy people go to heaven.
2. People who are drunk are happy.
3. So let's all get drunk and go to heaven.

Originally posted by apathist
Zeus wanted to keep mankind in an animal-like state, without the ability to use fire.
Prometheus stole fire from Zeus and gave it to the people.
Zeus punishes Prometheus for eternity.

God wanted to keep humans in an animal-like state, without the ability to determine right and wrong (basically, free will).
Satan gifted that knowledge to the people.
God punishes Satan for eternity.

Originally posted by apathist
"Satan gifted that knowledge to the people."
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