Satan Worship

Originally posted by FMF
It's not clear why you feel the need to demonstrate contempt for people who value something you do not value?

more mere opinion from the spiritual buffet king, if you have any empirical evidence of
the value of worshipping a stone, a tree or a river then please produce it, otherwise,
learn that your allegations have relevancy to no one but you, so where is your
evidence? All I have done is to ask for empirical evidence? where is it? can a tree or a
river or a stone instruct you, no, then what is the value of worshipping it, you have
not said and instead embark on the now obligatory personal attack, yawn!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
more mere opinion from the spiritual buffet king, if you have any empirical evidence of
the value of worshipping a stone, a tree or a river then please produce it, otherwise,
learn that your allegations have relevancy to no one but you, so where is your
evidence? All I have done is to ask for empirical evidence? where is it? can a tree or a
...[text shortened]... shipping it, you have
not said and instead embark on the now obligatory personal attack, yawn!

The question is why do you feel the need to demonstrate contempt for people who value something you do not value?

Originally posted by FMF
The question is why do you feel the need to demonstrate contempt for people who value something you do not value?

then demonstrate the value of it, now being asked for the second time and just for the
record, i have demonstrated no contempt for people, but have sought to question the
value of a form of worship, a slight underhand there from the buffet king, it had better
not happen again.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
then demonstrate the value of it, now being asked for the second time.

Why does someone have to demonstrate to you the value they place on something in order to be spared your contempt?

Originally posted by FMF
Why does someone have to demonstrate to you the value they place on something in order to be spared your contempt?

i have demonstrated no contempt for people, but have sought to question the
value of a form of worship, a slight underhand there from the buffet king, it had better
not happen again. Third time asking, what is the value of worshipping a stone, a river
or a tree, you have not said.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i have demonstrated no contempt for people, but have sought to question the
value of a form of worship, a slight underhand there from the buffet king, it had better
not happen again. Third time asking, what is the value of worshipping a stone, a river
or a tree, you have not said.

You seem to be missing the point here. The issue is not what it is that someone values, or what its value is or isn't. The issue is why you feel the need to be contemptuous of someone who values something that you do not value yourself. As for your undisguised contempt, twhitehead put it succinctly: "it was quite clear from your story that your intent was desecration, insult with a lack of empathy/compassion - regardless of what the witches actually thought."

Originally posted by FMF
You seem to be missing the point here. The issue is not what it is that someone values, or what its value is or isn't. The issue is why you feel the need to be contemptuous of someone who values something that you do not value yourself. As for your undisguised contempt, twhitehead put it succinctly: "it was quite clear from your story that your intent was desecr ...[text shortened]... insult with a lack of empathy/compassion - regardless of what the witches actually thought."

I have demonstrated contempt for no one and instead asked for evidence of the
value of worshipping objects, or in the case of Satan, a created entity, so far you
have produced nothing but a rather underhanded insinuation stating that I am
contemptuous of people who hold different values from me, simply because i have
questioned the validity of those values. Dear King of the spiritual buffet, why you
have need of resorting to such nefarious machinations is a reflection of the
weakness of your arguments, you may do better to produce the empirical evidence
which relates to my actual claims.

Twithead knows nothing, he wasn't even there, has no way of knowing what my
motivations were, other than the text in an internet forum, which cannot show any
kind or emotion, inflection of the voice or facial expressions and has no way of
knowing how the witches reacted making his assertions of contempt/lack of
compassion and your buying into them as ludicrous as your failure to attack my
person when the real issue was actually questioning a particular form of worship,
and just to let you know, i hold such attempts in derision and laugh at them heartily!

tra la la, frolic through the daisies, one hand waving free!

wait i get it now, its the secular liberalist rising to the surface, were not allowed to
question values different from our own, its the all encompassing, moral fairground, free
for all, spiritual candy floss buffet! should have seen it coming!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
wait i get it now, its the secular liberalist rising to the surface, were not allowed to
question values different from our own

Question them by all means, robbie. I question the beliefs of Satanists, of course. I mean, what's going on there? Blimey. But I don't see any need to be contemptuous of them, unless they carry out illegal acts, hurt people, coerce people.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Dear King of the spiritual buffet, why you
have need of resorting to such nefarious machinations is a reflection of the
weakness of your arguments, you may do better to produce the empirical evidence
which relates to my actual claims.

You think I need "empirical evidence" to interpret what I think your story clearly meant? 😀

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
wait i get it now, its the secular liberalist rising to the surface, were not allowed to
question values different from our own, its the all encompassing, moral fairground, free
for all, spiritual candy floss buffet! should have seen it coming!

I have a buddy (he played chess here for a while, getting to 2200) who is an addict and is in the 12 step program, I think the first step is 'recognizing a higher power', is the way they put it. They said it doesn't matter what you consider your higher power, just recognize there is one. So if your higher power is a tree, what of it? A tree is part of life is it not? A part of existence. So is a rock. There is a tribe in the south Asia that worships a wooden airplane because they saw one fly by in WW2. What difference does it make to them? Or you?

Originally posted by googlefudge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

"Satanism is a group of religions composed of a diverse number of ideological and philosophical beliefs and social phenomena. Their shared features include symbolic association with, admiration for the character of, and even veneration of Satan or similar rebellious, promethean, and liberating figures."

The term can be confused.

There's also a widely practiced brand of "Satanism" that not only doesn't worship Satan, but believe that the devil and other supernatural forces do not exist. Sort of a belligerent atheism mixed with Rand's objectivism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

I believe this is (or at least was, for a period) far more widely practiced than actual devil worship. So it's probably worth keeping in mind the difference...

Of course, many Christians won't recognize the difference, regardless - believing that to abandon Christ is to worship the devil, anyway.

Originally posted by twhitehead
As far as I know, Satanists, do not worship Satan (or even believe in his existence).

So, do you just think they are playing a game, like tiddlywinks?

Originally posted by googlefudge
Indignation?

I am not even surprised.

I was just pointing out your hypocrisy and lack of feeling.

You come across a building partially burned down and instead of sympathising with those who lived
there/worshipped there, you insult their religion (anonymously as well) and desecrate their holy symbols.

When if the same was done to you, you wo ...[text shortened]... our hypocrisy and lack of compassion, empathy or feeling are note worthy, and thus I noted them.

There is nothing holy about it. It is demonic.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
lol, the house was partially burned down by Column Kennedy as an insurance scam,
he was heavily drinking and in debt at the time, no one was living there. Your
opinion of my actions as desecration, lack of empathy/compassion, killer of Bambi's
Mom etc smack of sensationalism and I laugh at them also. How the witches
reacted to my tract is a ...[text shortened]...
humour! then again i forget that your part Vulcan and human emotions may appear
irrational.

That's a good one, robbie. But it is not surprising that he would insist on using conjecture and his own self certified opinions as the basis for even more self certified opinion, ha,ha. He does the same thing with evolution.