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Originally posted by @suzianneSo speaks the baby butcher advocate.
You are the absolute master of irony.
No, my thick friend, the Word of God does not say what YOU claim.
Originally posted by @suzianneSo speaks the baby butcher advocate.
You are the absolute master of irony.
No, my thick friend, the Word of God does not say what YOU claim.
Originally posted by @eladarSo speaks the bigot and the hater of man.
So speaks the baby butcher advocate.
Originally posted by @suzianneAh I thought you would latch onto this one.
Now that is quite the admission, and it explains much.
Originally posted by @divegeesterThat you can be honest but most of the time choose not to be in hopes of having some fun at others expense.
Ah I thought you would latch onto this one.
What “much” does it explain Suzianne?
🙂
Originally posted by @rajk999
Yup .. have to take my brain numbing pills to agree with all the false nonsense I see around here.
First the doctrine of the Nocolaitans had nothing to do with Christians. Next if you think that there are no classes of Christians then you are sadly mistaken. The 12 discples are a priviledge group. Next come the elect of God which will rule with Christ. T ...[text shortened]... ach them, the same shall be called [b]great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:19 KJV)[/i][/b]
First the doctrine of the Nocolaitans had nothing to do with Christians.
4. By Abiding in the Vine
and Letting the Vine Abide in the Branches
The fruit-bearing comes about as the branches abide in the vine and let the vine abide in the branches. In John 15 abiding is a crucial matter. Everything in this chapter depends upon the abiding. The real abiding depends upon a clear vision, a clear seeing, that you are a branch. Once you see that you are a branch, it will be difficult for you to stay away from the vine. You will want to remain in the vine. This remaining is the abiding. Do not try to abide, for the more you try, the more you will fall away. We need to pray, “Lord, show me clearly that I am one of the branches.” I believe that one day the Lord will show you. You will see that you are one of the branches and you will say, “Praise the Lord, I am one of the branches.” Then you will abide in Him.
As long as you abide in Him, He will abide in you. His abiding in us depends upon our abiding in Him. Our abiding is the condition of His abiding, but His abiding in us is not a condition of our abiding in Him. Nothing is conditional with Him, but with us, because we are so fluctuating, there is the need of a condition. If we do not abide in Him, there is no way for Him to abide in us. Although He does not change, we have many changes. We may abide in Him today and run away from Him tomorrow. Therefore, His abiding in us depends upon our abiding in Him. Our abiding in Him is the condition of His abiding in us. So the Lord says, “Abide in Me and I in you.” If we abide in Him, He will certainly abide in us. If we do not abide in Him, we fail to meet the condition of His abiding in us. His abiding depends upon our abiding. This mutual abiding will bring forth fruit.
F. The Pruning
Now we come to the pruning. In verse 2 the Lord said of the Father that “every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it, that it may bear more fruit.” Pruning is needed. The meaning of pruning is to purge away the waste. Waste comes mostly from something that is too old. When the branches become old, they cease to bear fruit. The way to cause these branches to bear fruit is to cut away the old part of the branches and let new sprouts come out. It is not the old branches that bear the fruit but the new sprouts. This is the reason why we have sufferings at times. The sufferings are the pruning which cuts off the old part that we may become new to bear fruit. Pruning takes place by cutting and breaking. This is for the bearing of much fruit.
G. The Casting Out
1. To Cut Off a Branch from the Enjoyment
of the Riches of the Life of the Vine
At this point we need to say a word about the casting out. In verse 6 the Lord said, “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is dried up; and they gather them and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” In John 15 there is no thought of being saved or of perishing. We need to forget this concept when we come to John 15. The concept in this chapter is whether we shall enjoy the riches of the vine tree to bear fruit or miss the riches of the tree. To be cast out is not to lose our salvation; it is to be cut off from the enjoyment of the riches of the life of the vine tree. When a branch is cut off, it no longer participates in the riches of the life of the vine. Many Christians have lost the enjoyment of the riches of Christ as life. This means that they have been cut off.
2. To Cut Off a Branch from the Fellowship
of the Branches
To be cast out also means to be cut off from the fellowship of the branches. A branch that is cut off no longer has fellowship in life with the other branches. Many Christians are like this. They have no fellowship in life with other Christians.
3. To Cut Off a Branch from the Expression
of the Son with the Father
Furthermore, to be cast out means to be cut off, to be separated, from the expression of the Son with the Father. When a branch is cast out, there is no more expression of the vine. Many Christians today cannot have the expression of the Son with the Father because they are branches that have been cut off from the vine.
4. To Cut Off a Branch from the Divine Purpose
Finally, to be cast out is to be cut off from the divine purpose. The divine purpose of God the Father in cultivating the Son as the vine tree is to express the fullness of the Godhead. To be cast out as a branch from the vine tree is to be cut off from this divine purpose. Many Christians today are cut off from participation in the divine purpose. When a branch is cast out, it loses the enjoyment of the riches of Christ, misses the rich fellowship of its co-branches, is separated from the expression of God, and is cut off from the purpose of God. If you do not bear fruit, it means that you have been cut off from the enjoyment of the riches of Christ. This, however, does not mean that a person will be lost. Perhaps you are wondering what it means to be cast into the fire. It means to be dried up. Many Christians do have the sensation of being dried up. The matter of being eternally saved or lost is covered in chapter ten. Chapter fifteen is not concerned with the matter of salvation but with the matter of the enjoyment of the riches of Christ, the participation in the wonderful fellowship among the co-branches, the expression of the divine image, and the fulfillment of God’s purpose. This is the main concept of John 15.
Originally posted by @sonshipTwo Christians who claim to know what the Nicolaitans were about, only produce these empty comments. Nothing of substance.First the doctrine of the Nocolaitans had nothing to do with Christians.
You really don't know what you're talking about here.
Originally posted by @rajk999Not were about - Are about.
Two Christians who claim to know what the Nicolaitans were about, only produce these empty comments. Nothing of substance.
Originally posted by @sonshipObviously you lack substance. Lots of empty post from you.
Not were about - Are about.
Obviously, you're clueless.
Originally posted by @divegeesterSince you don't like pm's I will say it here. At times I can see a kind spirit in your words. It is refreshing to see those moments.
Ah I thought you would latch onto this one.
What “much” does it explain Suzianne?
🙂
Originally posted by @sonshipYou have substance sometimes. But it is all wrong substance.
Not were about - Are about.
Obviously, you're clueless.
Originally posted by @eladarCould you please expound on this?
Where in the Bible does it guarantee that anyone who believes he or she is saved that it means that it is so?
"And I say to you that every idle word which men shall speak, they will render an account concerning it in the day of judgment,
For by your words you shall be justified and by your words you shall be condemned." (Matt. 12:36,37)