I have very strong views about sex, before and after marriage. I won't go into their entirity, but I believe that sex is a fundamental process of humanity, our bodies are constructed to do it, it is the driving force of our expansion and to repress it is counter-productive. I thin sex before marriage is a must for a healthy relationship.
I also think the notion of fidelity is perverse in the current moral construct of the majority of people, but that is a subject for another day, methinks.
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Originally posted by KaboooombaIt is a sure way of expressing your rebellion against the God who created it for marriage.
is this o.k. ?
As fire belongs in the fire-place, sex belongs in marriage.
Is it OK to take the fire out the fire-place and make it on the dining room table?
Sure... If you insist on burning the house down.
Originally posted by dj2beckeri'm assuming that you go to church.
It is a sure way of expressing your rebellion against the God who created it for marriage.
As fire belongs in the fire-place, sex belongs in marriage.
Is it OK to take the fire out the fire-place and make it on the dining room table?
Sure... If you insist on burning the house down.
how would you get on if someone in a defacto relationship started attending your church. would your expectations be for the person to instantly get out of the relationship? this could be a situation they are unable to overcome until a later date.
it seems good sense that the church be there to help the person, as a person without your church's help may end up living in the situation you don't want them too. i'm not talking about justification, i'm talking about love.
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Originally posted by Kaboooombai'm assuming that you go to church.
i'm assuming that you go to church.
how would you get on if someone in a defacto relationship started attending your church. would your expectations be for the person to instantly get out of the relationsh ...[text shortened]... ation you don't want them too. i'm not talking about justification, i'm talking about love.
How did you guess?😉
how would you get on if someone in a defacto relationship started attending your church.
We have had plenty of them.
would your expectations be for the person to instantly get out of the relationship?
Nope. I leave it over to God to do the convicting. 100% of the time they break the relationship or they leave the church.
Originally posted by dj2beckeri've had friends who were living in defacto relationships and many of them get on fine... outside the church. why does 'GOD' not convict these people?
[b]i'm assuming that you go to church.
How did you guess?😉
how would you get on if someone in a defacto relationship started attending your church.
We have had plenty of them.
would your expectations be for the person to instantly get out of the relationship?
Nope. I leave it over to God to do the convicting. 100% of the time they break the relationship or they leave the church.[/b]
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Originally posted by KaboooombaMy guess would be that they have not given Him a chance to speak to them. The best place where they could feel God's conviction would be in a church where a servant of God preaches the truth.
i've had friends who were living in defacto relationships and many of them get on fine... outside the church. why does 'GOD' not convict these people?
It could also be that they were convicted but hardened their hearts.
Originally posted by KaboooombaI suspect dj2 is talking about love as well - except love does not equal mollycoddling or appeasement for him.
i'm assuming that you go to church.
how would you get on if someone in a defacto relationship started attending your church. would your expectations be for the person to instantly get out of the relationsh ...[text shortened]... ation you don't want them too. i'm not talking about justification, i'm talking about love.
Originally posted by KaboooombaWell, if this person wanted to participate in the sacraments of the Church, he'd have to go through the RCIA programme first.
how would you get on if someone in a defacto relationship started attending your church. would your expectations be for the person to instantly get out of the relationship?
I would expect this person to cease sexual activity outside marriage immediately. I'm not saying the relationship should be abandoned - my first preference would be to see the couple married (assuming they are both canonically free to do so). If that is not possible then, yes, I would expect him to break off the relationship (now platonic) in the short to medium term.