Originally posted by @fmfThe churches of the Gentiles are not the same as the churches of the Jews.
If I may ask ~ seeing as you have introduced her into the conversation - does she comply with 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 ?
So I don't understand what equivalence you're drawing here.
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Originally posted by @eladarBy "modern standards" you prefer not to greet other male disciples with "a holy kiss" , again according to Rom. 16:16 ?
I am saying that by modern standards Christianity is sexist.
Its usually easy to put your big biblical thumb down on the other person. Going light on yourself but going strict and exacting on the other person.
" YOU ... go by the book there !
Me? Well, I need a little leeway now ."
A few enthusiastic male Bible readers behave this way about exhortations to sister Christians.
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Eladar,
There was an apostolic couple in the New Testament, a husband and wife team - Aquila and his wife Priscilla OR Prisca and Aquilla .
Do you have any idea why the Apostle Paul sometimes mentioned the wife before the husband ? Its curious.
Compare:
Romans 16:3 - Paul writing -
"Greet Prisca and Acquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus."
Acts 18:2 - Luke writing -
" And having found a certain Jew named Aquila, ... and Priscilla his wife ..."
Any thoughts on why the Apostle Paul felt to mention the wife's name first ? He's writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, you know.
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Originally posted by @gswilmMaybe because Luke wrote the book of Acts and someone else wrote the book of Romans for Paul as he was speaking.
Eladar,
There was an apostolic couple in the New Testament, a husband and wife team - [b]Aquila and his wife Priscilla OR Prisca and Aquilla .
Do you have any idea why the Apostle Paul sometimes mentioned the wife before the husband ? Its curious.
Compare:
Romans 16:3 - Paul writing -
[quote] " ...[text shortened]... e's name first ? He's writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, you know.
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Originally posted by @rbhillI think I indicated that Luke wrote Acts.
Maybe because Luke wrote the book of Acts and someone else wrote the book of Romans for Paul as he was speaking.
And Paul, (Rom. 1:1) with the help of one good brother Tertius (16:22) wrote the book of Romans.
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Originally posted by @gswilmWas there a female disciple?
Eladar,
There was an apostolic couple in the New Testament, a husband and wife team - [b]Aquila and his wife Priscilla OR Prisca and Aquilla .
Do you have any idea why the Apostle Paul sometimes mentioned the wife before the husband ? Its curious.
Compare:
Romans 16:3 - Paul writing -
[quote] " ...[text shortened]... e's name first ? He's writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, you know.
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Could Jesus have chosen a female disciple?
What is a worker in Christ?
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Originally posted by @eladarWas there a female disciple?
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You do understand that there were more than twelve disciples of Jesus I hope. What does Acts 1:13,14 say about the disciples in the upper room awaiting the promise of the Holy Spirit's power?
"And when they entered, they went up to the upper room where they were residing, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James, the son of Alpheus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the brother of James.
These all continued steadfastly with the one accord in prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers."
You don't consider the women there who were all praying in one accord with the twelve as disciples of Jesus ?
They were disciples of Jesus. And since Luke specifies that some richer ones among them provided much for the needs of the Lord and His other disciples, they were crucial to the ministry.
" And soon afterward He journeyed from city to city and village to village, preachingg and announcing the gospel of the kingdom of God, and the twelve were with Him,
As well as certain women who were healed of evil spirits and infirmaties:
Mary, who was called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out.
And Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many other women, who ministered to them out of their possessions." (Luke 8:1-3)
The first disciples to witness the resurrected Christ were the woman disciples. Don't you think that was quite an honor ?
When Jesus said to the apostles to go make disciples of all the nations do you think that He meant only men disciples ?
" Go therefore and disciples all the nations, ... " (Matthew 28:19a)
You don't believe that Christ meant to only make men disciples of all the nations, I hope.
Could Jesus have chosen a female disciple?
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Besides the twelve men, I regard Him choosing also the women disciples who were with them.
What is a worker in Christ?
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Firstly, a worker in Christ is a person who LIVES in Christ. That is lives through Christ, lives unto Christ, and allow Christ to live in them and out from them.
Are not both men and women chosen by God before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blemish before Him in love ? Those are all disciples of Jesus.
"Even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blemish before Him in love, Predestinating us unto sonship through Jesus Christ ... " (Eph. 1:4,5a)
The meaning of sonship means the share the same divine life. It does not mean only male sons.
You should know that we asre not left to misunderstand this, because God said He would walk among and live in "sons and daughters". This leaves no possibility of misunderstanding that there are men and women disciples of Christ.
" ... For we are the temple of the living God, even as God said, I will dwell among them and walk among them and I will be their God, and they were be My people.
Therefore come out from their midst and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch what is unclean; and I will welcome you;
And I will be a Father to you, and you will be SONS AND DAUGHTERS to Me, says the Lord Almighty." ( 2 Cor. 6:16b-18)
This is a brief reply.
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Originally posted by @gswilmIf you want to redefine terms that's up to you. It is a typical libtard thing to do.
[b] Was there a female disciple?
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You do understand that there were more than twelve disciples of Jesus I hope. What does Acts 1:13,14 say about the disciples in the upper room awaiting the promise of the Holy Spirit's power?"And when they entered, they went up to the upper room whe ...[text shortened]... TERS to Me, says the Lord Almighty." ( 2 Cor. 6:16B-18) [/b]
This is a brief reply.[/b]
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Elasder, it appears that the one being overly liberal with his Bible interpretation is you rather than me.
Can you prove that Jesus only meant men when He said to disciple all the nations ?
"Go therefore and DISCIPLE all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)
Will your next post prove that Jesus only meant to make disciples of MALES here ?
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Originally posted by @eladarThe fact of twelve chosen men named as His disciples does not mean that others chosen by Him were NOT disciples.
What it means to be part of the 12 disciples.
Nor could it mean that women following were not also disciples.
You are reading disciples but in your mind you may be thinking "apostles".
Before they were apostles they were disciples.
The female disciples were the first to bear witness to the resurrection of Christ. Don't you think that that was quite an honor bestowed upon them by Christ ?
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