Sinners in the Hand

Originally posted by Badwater
That's a strawman. You should know better.

No it goes straight to the point, if you are unable to see it, you do not
understand the question, "Can God commit murder?"
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
No it goes straight to the point, if you are unable to see it, you do not
understand the question, "Can God commit murder?"
Kelly

No, it's a strawman - or don't you know what a strawman is?

I realize that you have convinced yourself that God cannot commit murder; that's why I put out the definition of murder and stated that God has done that. You railed against something different and insist that you're arguing "straight to the point."

It's a strawman.

Originally posted by Badwater
No, it's a strawman - or don't you know what a strawman is?

I realize that you have convinced yourself that God cannot commit murder; that's why I put out the definition of murder and stated that God has done that. You railed against something different and insist that you're arguing "straight to the point."

It's a strawman.

You put out an, "if statement" not a definition.

"If murder is to be defined as the premeditated killing of any human being, then the answer is obviously Yes."

You want to be a little specific and please tell me where your
definition comes from, outside of your feelings about the matter.
Kelly

Murder is defined as the premeditated killing of any human being.

God murders. There is abundant evidence of such in the Old Testament.

There, is that better?

Originally posted by Badwater
Murder is defined as the premeditated killing of any human being.

God murders. There is abundant evidence of such in the Old Testament.

There, is that better?

Not really, it is defined by whom where?
Kelly

Really.

No, really.

Just how do you define murder, then?

Originally posted by Badwater
Really.

No, really.

Just how do you define murder, then?

I'm asking you for your sources, the authority from which you got your
definition. When you gave your if statement, I gave my carrot
statement, because it didn't seem to matter we could just make up
anything we wanted and say this is murder. Murder is a legal term and
where you are it changes, there are US laws which talk about murder,
there are French laws, UK laws, each country that has laws on the
books will define murder as they see fit, and just as important they
will spell out mitigating circumstances, exclusions, the basic elements
of the crime who is and is not a victim or murderer.

If you are asking me for my definition it is the unlawful taking of a
human life by a human with malice and forethought.

We do not charge sharks or lions in a court of law and make them
stand trial for killing one of us. We do not even charge some
people due to diplomatic immunity as well. If we were to charge
God, what would His crime be, since it is He who setups all the
boundaries of the Universe, it is he who sets the length of time we
live as a species and all others, if we accept all it says about God
then we have to accept it is He who appoints our deaths, that is
not unlawful that is the way it is.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You did not answer my question, can God murder?
Kelly

Yes. Unless you consider that he is not guilty by reason of insanity. Otherwise I do not recognize a deistic exemption from murder. If the creation is guilty, then the creator, likewise, is guilty. There cannot be two separate and contradictory codes of morality in play.

Originally posted by rwingett
Yes. Unless you consider that he is not guilty by reason of insanity. Otherwise I do not recognize a deistic exemption from murder. If the creation is guilty, then the creator, likewise, is guilty. There cannot be two separate and contradictory codes of morality in play.

You might have a point here.

Originally posted by rwingett
Yes. Unless you consider that he is not guilty by reason of insanity. Otherwise I do not recognize a deistic exemption from murder. If the creation is guilty, then the creator, likewise, is guilty. There cannot be two separate and contradictory codes of morality in play.

So if you made a robot and it murdered you you would be guilty of murder, hmmm when will it be ready?

Originally posted by daniel58
So if you made a robot and it murdered you you would be guilty of murder, hmmm when will it be ready?

Instead of asking that this post be removed as inappropriate, I'll offer the observation that these days it seems that calling for the death of one's adversary more and more seems characteristic of "Christian behavior". It seems that Christians have a bit of housecleaning ahead.


Daniel58, G-d is holding you as a spider over the fire: why should he or she not release the grip?

Originally posted by Wulebgr
Instead of asking that this post be removed as inappropriate, I'll offer the observation that these days it seems that calling for the death of one's adversary more and more seems characteristic of "Christian behavior". It seems that Christians have a bit of housecleaning ahead.


Daniel58, G-d is holding you as a spider over the fire: why should he or she not release the grip?

I'm not asking this post to be removed, I never ask God to let be die, but live in the fullness of Christ. GOD IS MALE!

Originally posted by daniel58
I'm not asking this post to be removed, I never ask God to let be die, but live in the fullness of Christ. GOD IS MALE!

How do you know? Did you see him in the shower?

Originally posted by rwingett
How do you know? Did you see him in the shower?

How do I know you're male? or even a human you could be a bot.

Originally posted by daniel58
How do I know you're male? or even a human you could be a bot.

because you have tangible benchmarks from which you can assess the plausibility of: "Rwingwett is a bot"
You have no such thing with propositions about your god other than appeal to scripture (written by humans (some of whom say it was written by god)), appeal to your peers (who can know nothing more about the subject of 'other-worldly' matters than you), or appeal to what makes you feel comfortable.