Sinners in the Hand

Originally posted by daniel58
I'm not asking this post to be removed, I never ask God to let be die, but live in the fullness of Christ. GOD IS MALE!

How do you know God is male daniel? Isn't this just yet another conceit that man knows the nature of God?

This is a common theme for you. Do you have a problem with women? What role do you think women should take in society? Are they the equals of man?

Originally posted by rwingett
Yes. Unless you consider that he is not guilty by reason of insanity. Otherwise I do not recognize a deistic exemption from murder. If the creation is guilty, then the creator, likewise, is guilty. There cannot be two separate and contradictory codes of morality in play.

So you lay at God's feet all guilt for everything because He is God,
and no one else can be responsible for their own actions?

You believe that only God being all powerful is responsible for all,
because He can at will force others to do it only the way that is right
in His own eyes? The only choice an all powerful God can do is
force all actions everywhere; He cannot with His power and wisdom
also give others the ability to do as they will within boundaries of
choice?
Kelly

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
How do you know God is male daniel? Isn't this just yet another conceit that man knows the nature of God?

This is a common theme for you. Do you have a problem with women? What role do you think women should take in society? Are they the equals of man?

Jesus Is male and Jesus Is God, men and women are equal in nature.

Originally posted by daniel58
... GOD IS MALE!

That's not what the ancient Jews thought. They viewed God as being more or less without gender.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm asking you for your sources, the authority from which you got your
definition. ...

My authority is me. That's how I define murder. It's an accurate definition.

Originally posted by Badwater
My authority is me. That's how I define murder. It's an accurate definition.

Okay, that is how you define it, your opinion is...
Others could and do disagree and that means what, it is just a
name calling exercise with lines drawn by our feelings?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
So you lay at God's feet all guilt for everything because He is God,
and no one else can be responsible for their own actions?

You believe that only God being all powerful is responsible for all,
because He can at will force others to do it only the way that is right
in His own eyes? The only choice an all powerful God can do is
force all actions eve ...[text shortened]... nd wisdom
also give others the ability to do as they will within boundaries of
choice?
Kelly

Yes, that is the case I've been making all along. Freewill is incompatible with an omnipotent and omniscient god. Nothing can happen that he didn't intend to happen. If Eve ate from the apple, it is precisely because god intended for her to do so. Therefore, god bears the moral responsibility for everything that happens, both the good and the bad.

Originally posted by rwingett
Yes, that is the case I've been making all along. Freewill is incompatible with an omnipotent and omniscient god. Nothing can happen that he didn't intend to happen. If Eve ate from the apple, it is precisely because god intended for her to do so. Therefore, god bears the moral responsibility for everything that happens, both the good and the bad.

But if God is all powerful, surely he can find a way to give us free will. Of course, according to you, he is all powerful EXCEPT to give us free will.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Okay, that is how you define it, your opinion is...
Others could and do disagree and that means what, it is just a
name calling exercise with lines drawn by our feelings?
Kelly

Stick to the point, please. I said that God has committed murder, according to the Bible. I defined what murder is. It's an acceptable definition, regardless of your casual dismissal of it as opinion. The basic assertion still remains.

Originally posted by Badwater
Stick to the point, please. I said that God has committed murder, according to the Bible. I defined what murder is. It's an acceptable definition, regardless of your casual dismissal of it as opinion. The basic assertion still remains.

It is difficult for me to think that the God who gave life to begin with does not have the same authority to take it away.

So the charge of God murdering is not easy at all for me to accept. What He had the position alone to give He has the position alone to remove.

Originally posted by jaywill
It is difficult for me to think that the God who gave life to begin with does not have the same authority to take it away.

So the charge of God murdering is not easy at all for me to accept. What He had the position alone to give He has the position alone to remove.

Understood. I would maintain that it is murder, nonetheless.

The ancient Jews had no problem pitting the might of their God against the gods of their enemies. If murder ensued then it was just and right in the eyes of the Jews but is still murder.

Originally posted by Wulebgr
One of the strongest statements of the human condition ever penned came from a sermon delivered in 1741 in Enfield, Connecticut.


The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of ...[text shortened]... be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell.
Jonathan Edwards

Disgusting;

No religion
😵

Originally posted by rwingett
Yes, that is the case I've been making all along. Freewill is incompatible with an omnipotent and omniscient god. Nothing can happen that he didn't intend to happen. If Eve ate from the apple, it is precisely because god intended for her to do so. Therefore, god bears the moral responsibility for everything that happens, both the good and the bad.

That does not make any sense at all; His power isn't the issue under
those conditions it is His integrity, honesty, and intent. Simply having
the power to do anything isn’t enough it is the willingness to do
the thing that matters and the same scripture you go to for the amount
of power God has also tells you that He values our will, so you are
just picking and choosing those things that you want to boast up
your belief system and not taking into account the full picture of
who God is.
Kelly

Originally posted by Badwater
Stick to the point, please. I said that God has committed murder, according to the Bible. I defined what murder is. It's an acceptable definition, regardless of your casual dismissal of it as opinion. The basic assertion still remains.

No, I'm sticking to the point, I pointed out to you that everywhere
there are different sets of laws that say what is and is not murder,
you also came back and said you had your personal set that you
were going to use to claim God did it. You think your views on this
is something more than your opinion?

My basic assertion/opinion is that God sets the limits according to
the Bible on life, how long it is or how short is it, so when He ends
or begins one it is within He power to do so. You as you did may
indeed call God's actions a crime, I see it as nothing more than
Him doing what He will with His own.
Kelly

Originally posted by Badwater
My authority is me. That's how I define murder. It's an accurate definition.

Have you ever held a spider or an insect over the fire?