Originally posted by royalchickenHm, yes, you are right. I have to revise my standpoint a bit. Regarding chairs, I believe in both creation and evolution. It was created by an intelligent designer, and it keeps evolving through the influence of intelligent designers. I guess that's much like what most Christians believe regarding creation and evolution.
True; sometimes the word 'evolved' is applied to ideas which change due to small influences caused by individual people.
I was taken to sit on the chair by my Mum, who'd been sitting on that chair her whole life (still does), as had her father and mother, and so on ... you get the point.
Didn't really think much about it - it was just a chair to sit on, didn't everyone sit on chairs?
Kept sitting on the chair as a teenager - there were girls on the chair, hormones kicked in.
Then I discovered that most of the girls on the chair were actually a bit boring, and I started wondering about other chairs I'd heard of. I started doing a bit of reading about chairs and discovered a huge variety. Got into a buddhist chair for a while, but in the end, I realised all of the chairs were pretty much the same.
And I stood up.
No need for chairs anymore.
I'm happy on my own two legs.
(Although I still like looking at the girls on the chairs ...)
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI consider myself lucky enough to have escaped any early childhood indoctrination into Christianity. Chairs are for sitting comfortably, not eternal redemption of one's ego. Will you be getting to your point any time soon, Freakster?
Anyone else want to take a shot at my lame analogy? Come on, I know you can't be through yet, ye sofa-phobes.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHIf the chair is specifically a "saving faith" chair then you cannot sit in it and get out. I have believed in God, in my indoctrinated childhood, but I could not have had saving faith as there is nothing to be saved from and no one to do the saving!
Suppose that sitting on a certain chair were analagous to saving faith, meaning, one is saved for sitting on the chair, just once. Regardless of whether or not one stayed sitting, imagine the issue is whether or not one ever simply sat in said chair.
With respect to Jesus Christ, how many people who frequent the debates and discussion here, have ever sat ...[text shortened]... and continue sitting. How many here have ever sat, to walk away, renounce ever sitting or etc.?
When you stand up and get out of the chair, you realise that it never was a magic chair in the first place!
What amazes me is how many people are so afraid of falling that they wont get out of the chair!
Originally posted by twhiteheadI'll count that as a 'yes.'
If the chair is specifically a "saving faith" chair then you cannot sit in it and get out. I have believed in God, in my indoctrinated childhood, but I could not have had saving faith as there is nothing to be saved from and no one to do the saving!
When you stand up and get out of the chair, you realise that it never was a magic chair in the first place ...[text shortened]... hat amazes me is how many people are so afraid of falling that they wont get out of the chair!
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI have not attempted to sit on any chair, because I have not seen any.
Anyone else want to take a shot at my lame analogy? Come on, I know you can't be through yet, ye sofa-phobes.
I am sceptical about the existence of chairs.
There are a lot of chair shops, but I haven't seen any with chairs in stock.