Some Iconoclasm, VS?.
09 Sep '12 16:33VoidSpirit prompted me on this one. Thanks VS.
Iconoclasm is sometimes badly needed.
Whether of Buddha or Jesus, the Messiah of the Christians, or The Bible or The Koran become an idolatrous icon substituing for The Eternal Wonder they call God or Allah. This makes the manifestation frozen as something out there, an object fixation. What is needed is to lessen the making physical (a book or a person) the equivalent of God and open to "his" (if you need to generise God) all embracing Openness.
I believe Jesus of Nazareth the person would be deeply hurt by the idolatrous object he has become, and I think dear Buddha would commiserate. But for the Buddha there is a conceptual distancing from the real Buddha that is always allowed. "The Buddha" is a symbol of many things, but least of all an idol to be unquestionngly obeyed. He was The Great Occasion that greatly pushed forth the knowing of the No-Self, of the Voidal, of the Middle Path. Many Buddhists are quite able to approah Buddha in this way, as I do. That figure is a means to wider understanding in meditation, seeing ourselves reflected, and the three great ways realisation is manifested - together. This is not Buddha the man at all, but his honored figure used to symbolise Awakening and we are taught all are buddhas, we just haven't fully relised it yet, well, some have. His name is means the Awakened One, Or The Ever Awakened. Sitting there in and as Awareness.
OM MANI PEDME HUNG!
It is a bit different unfortunately for the manufactured idolatrous image of Jesus of Nazareth, along with the "infallible direct Word of God" (for fundamentalist idolaters of all sorts), "the Bible". Jesus was a man like Siddartha Gautama and woud NEVER call himself the ONLY SON OF GOD!. The SECOND PERSON OF THE TRINITY is idolatrous gobbledegook!!
It was manufactured for power reasons by the Early Roman Church, hand in hand with Emperors.. It kept the masses in line.
Jesus can be a wonderful symbol and Teacher, and Master, but he IS NOT GOD!
He would deny it vehemently!
By objectifying any Ultimate Truth like that you are actually closing your minds from "GOD", THAT which comes to you all the time through everything, (including Jesus and the Bible) if you could but see. You are boxing your spirit in and tying it to one form and actively closing off possibility of a wider awareness for a long time.
It is a manufactured bit of religious propaganda that he is the only one by whom anyone can be saved! Adn that includes directly rubbing out any idolatrous passages in the somewhat put together writings of "The Bibe" under the orders of an Emperor, using the mass and forced conversion of the masses. He saw the political power of a movement that had grown on a developed "working myth" - of an exalted Jesus of Nazareth, adopting the myths of the strong movement known as Gnosticism.
The Christian Church perhaps due for a bit of iconoclasm if it is to share as brothers and sisters of others rather than arrogantly promote itself as the "ONLY!"
- and the same for any other idolatrous 'ONLIES"
Iconoclasm is sometimes badly needed.
Whether of Buddha or Jesus, the Messiah of the Christians, or The Bible or The Koran become an idolatrous icon substituing for The Eternal Wonder they call God or Allah. This makes the manifestation frozen as something out there, an object fixation. What is needed is to lessen the making physical (a book or a person) the equivalent of God and open to "his" (if you need to generise God) all embracing Openness.
I believe Jesus of Nazareth the person would be deeply hurt by the idolatrous object he has become, and I think dear Buddha would commiserate. But for the Buddha there is a conceptual distancing from the real Buddha that is always allowed. "The Buddha" is a symbol of many things, but least of all an idol to be unquestionngly obeyed. He was The Great Occasion that greatly pushed forth the knowing of the No-Self, of the Voidal, of the Middle Path. Many Buddhists are quite able to approah Buddha in this way, as I do. That figure is a means to wider understanding in meditation, seeing ourselves reflected, and the three great ways realisation is manifested - together. This is not Buddha the man at all, but his honored figure used to symbolise Awakening and we are taught all are buddhas, we just haven't fully relised it yet, well, some have. His name is means the Awakened One, Or The Ever Awakened. Sitting there in and as Awareness.
OM MANI PEDME HUNG!
It is a bit different unfortunately for the manufactured idolatrous image of Jesus of Nazareth, along with the "infallible direct Word of God" (for fundamentalist idolaters of all sorts), "the Bible". Jesus was a man like Siddartha Gautama and woud NEVER call himself the ONLY SON OF GOD!. The SECOND PERSON OF THE TRINITY is idolatrous gobbledegook!!
It was manufactured for power reasons by the Early Roman Church, hand in hand with Emperors.. It kept the masses in line.
Jesus can be a wonderful symbol and Teacher, and Master, but he IS NOT GOD!
He would deny it vehemently!
By objectifying any Ultimate Truth like that you are actually closing your minds from "GOD", THAT which comes to you all the time through everything, (including Jesus and the Bible) if you could but see. You are boxing your spirit in and tying it to one form and actively closing off possibility of a wider awareness for a long time.
It is a manufactured bit of religious propaganda that he is the only one by whom anyone can be saved! Adn that includes directly rubbing out any idolatrous passages in the somewhat put together writings of "The Bibe" under the orders of an Emperor, using the mass and forced conversion of the masses. He saw the political power of a movement that had grown on a developed "working myth" - of an exalted Jesus of Nazareth, adopting the myths of the strong movement known as Gnosticism.
The Christian Church perhaps due for a bit of iconoclasm if it is to share as brothers and sisters of others rather than arrogantly promote itself as the "ONLY!"
- and the same for any other idolatrous 'ONLIES"
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