Originally posted by CalJustI can say this, God gives His Spirit to those that belong to Him and if you
How can you say that YOUR OWN beliefs are true or false? You cannot!
All you can say is: "The beliefs that I currently hold I BELIEVE to be true!"
Will you admit that your beliefs have changed over time? I know mine have - frequently!
I would go so far as to say that if they have NOT changed, you have NOT grown!
do not have God's Spirit you don't belong to God. I'm also not touching on
some side issue like the age of the earth with FMF either, but God Himself.
Either Jesus Christ was a reality in his life or not, if his 'beliefs' did not have
God's Spirit actually involved, then he didn't leave God, because he was
never a part of God.
My beliefs have and will change over time, but if Jesus Christ is not the
sure foundation in your life, who cares what you believe about anything
else!
Kelly
Originally posted by CalJustSo you think growing "beyond Jesus Christ" is a good thing?
How can you say that YOUR OWN beliefs are true or false? You cannot!
All you can say is: "The beliefs that I currently hold I BELIEVE to be true!"
Will you admit that your beliefs have changed over time? I know mine have - frequently!
I would go so far as to say that if they have NOT changed, you have NOT grown!
Kelly
I think what Kelly is trying to say, is that for him, Jesus is real and not a belief, so it would be impossible for him to change his belief about Jesus (as it is not a belief).
So he is claiming that FMFs former belief, which was just a belief, not a reality, could not be equivalent to what he experiences.
I don't think Kelly is considering the possibility that he may be mistaken about the reality of Jesus, and that it may in fact, be a belief.
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-Removed-As near as I can tell, I think what Kelly is attempting to argue is that he thinks there is a difference between rejecting God and disbelieving in God. I think he believes that you can stop being a Christian if you reject God (but still believe the biblical God is real), but the only way you could disbelieve the biblical God is if you never really believed in God in the first place (a variation on the No True Scotsman fallacy).