-Removed-Well, this is what I mean when I say that what you believe is like what I believe, and I have no problem calling what I believe in as a Triune God. My God is One God also. Of course scripture supports the idea of one God. Your idea of God is not far from the mainstream Christian idea of the Triune God. But because you have this thing against "organized religion" you seem loathe to agree on this with them about God. This is kind of like what Ron does with his Creation stories. He takes them SO literally that he confines his God into a little box and he cannot believe anything which tells him that his God can roam outside this little box. I say we cannot limit God. Those who limit God truly do not understand him. I say yes, God is the Creator, God is the Father, God is the Christ and God is the Holy Spirit. Why must people limit God to their little idea of what he is? There are Unitarians, who believe there is just one person of God, or that God is One. Then there are the Trinitarians who believe that God is a three-part God. Both sides reject the other, but God is greater than any one little conceptual definition. God is Trinity and God is Unity. And probably more that we do not recognize. But this is a human error. We seemingly have to create dogma which sets us apart from others. Humans have done this since the dawn of man.
It is difficult to wrap our minds around such an expansive being. But this is why anyone saying they have the entire answer when they only espouse one fraction of the answer is wrong.
I say God the Father, God the Christ and God the Holy Spirit are three, and yet One. And this One I call God. You seem to believe similarly, and yet this One you call Jesus Christ. I have no problem with someone who believes what I believe simply calling what they believe by another name. But the entire purpose of this conversation I sought to have with you is to say that what we believe sounds so much like the same thing, and yet you hold yourself apart from the Trinity concept. But it sounds the same to me, it walks the same to me and it quacks the same to me. You seem to just call it something else. I'm not seeing a difference, but you seem to. What does this difference boil down to, for you?
-Removed-Wait a minute. The difference struck me right in the face when I was rereading what I just wrote to you.
Are you saying that what I feel are three persons of God, are to you quite literally just one person? Are you saying that not only is Jesus the Christ, but that Jesus is the Father (or the OT God, or the "God of Abraham" )? And that what we call the "Holy Spirit" is actually also Jesus? If so, this would be an interesting take. I see a few problems with it right off the bat, but nevertheless, it's an interesting take.
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-Removed-If God being one is a "huge" issue to you then maybe you should come to understand that it is also so huge an issue to God.
It is a huge issue to His existence, His holiness, His authority, His righteousness and glory that creatures would rebel irreconcilably against Him.
And those who will not be extricated from Satan's rebellion will pay a more than "huge" price. Forever, as they continue in that sinful nature, they will know the one God and how He really feels about their crimes.
You just need to take your "huge" issue up to the level that the Bible reveals it is to God.
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-Removed-You are either a believer in Christ or you're not. If you are, you're either growing in grace or you're not. If you're not, you're thinking human rather than divine viewpoint. If you're thinking human viewpoint, you're not fulfilling God's plan and purpose for your life. What is that "purpose and plan for your life"? To glorify Him in time. If you're not glorifying Him in time, little wonder you're conflicted by choice.
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Originally posted by SuzianneOriginally posted by Suzianne
Well, this is what I mean when I say that what you believe is like what I believe, and I have no problem calling what I believe in as a Triune God. My God is One God also. Of course scripture supports the idea of one God. Your idea of God is not far from the mainstream Christian idea of the Triune God. But because you have this thing against "organized ...[text shortened]... I'm not seeing a difference, but you seem to. What does this difference boil down to, for you?
"I say God the Father, God the Christ and God the Holy Spirit are three, and yet One."
Yes, the apparent paradox means that one God exists as three distinct persons who are coequal, coinfinite and coeternal; each of whom is a separate person, individually possessing the same divine attributes. "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)
Originally posted by sonshipIf God being one is a "huge" issue to you then maybe you should come to understand that it is also so huge an issue to God.
It is a huge issue to His existence, His holiness, His authority, His righteousness and glory that creatures would rebel irreconcilably against Him.
And those who will not be extricated from Satan's rebellion will pay a more than "huge" price. Forever, as they continue in that sinful nature, they will know the one God and how He really feels about their crimes.
You just need to take your "huge" issue up to the level that the Bible reveals it is to God.
In your view, is a person "rejecting Christ" and joining "Satan's rebellion" if their Christian beliefs differ from yours?