Spectators in Hell

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sonship

What are you going to do divegeester? Are you going to gather us all together and throw us into some fiery doctrinal trash can of your own ?

And watch us squirm!

I take the passage at face value.
It communicates something which I take seriously and think is intended by God to cause caution and fear at joining the final rebellion of the Antichrist.

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If you like, you could mail me your Bible and I could white out the sections you don't like.

So what are your options if you want this to go away?

1. Believe that the fire and torment represent something that is not eternal but just temporal.
2. Believe that the fire and torment represent something other than fire and torment.
3. Believe that the scriptures that talk about fire and torment are false which leads you to throw out all the parts of the Bible you don't like, which essentially leaves you with a religion that you create/dismantle.


Can you think of any others?

I don't think Jesus went to the cross to die a horrible death cause he felt like it, I think it was to try and spare us a horrible death.

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Why would it not be literal? Because it doesn't sound nice?

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Missing the point here just a little bit?

These are the only ones who will be tormented: Satan, his lieutenants, and anyone who worships the beast and/or takes his mark. The rest will die the second death of the inferno and be no more.

But rather than take this as a warning to not receive the mark, yea, even unto death, you choose to act all pissed off that anyone would even dare to suggest that this might happen to YOU. Get over yourself and heed the warning as it stands.

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Do you believe that there will be a human who will be the AntiChrist, what Revelation calls the Beast, the "abomination of desolation"? What about the "False Prophet", that there will be a "man of the cloth" who will assist in forcing man to submit to and worship the Beast?

I don't believe the Beast will have 7 heads and 10 horns and 10 crowns, either. This is a symbolic rendering of the man who will become the Beast, to assist us in recognizing him.

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But then you can't really blame anyone for believing it, right?

I mean, it says so right there in your holy book.

How much is that book worth if you're just going to ignore or re-explain every phrase in that book that you happen to dislike?

Which part of it is God's word and which isn't? How do you decide? Is God a reality or is it no more than what you would like to be reality?

Originally posted by Suzianne

I don't believe the Beast will have 7 heads and 10 horns and 10 crowns, either. This is a symbolic rendering of the man who will become the Beast, to assist us in recognizing him.

How will the symbolism of 7 heads, 10 horns and 10 crowns assist you in recognizing him?

Originally posted by sonship
sonship

What are you going to do divegeester? Are you going to gather us all together and throw us into some fiery doctrinal trash can of your own ?

And watch us squirm!

I take the passage at face value.
It communicates something which I take seriously and think is intended by God to cause caution and fear at joining the final rebellion of the Antichrist.

so jesus will, in fact, watch? the one who preached peace, love and compassion will watch sinners being tormented for all eternity?

also, i am interested in the specifics. will he have to visit each cauldron? how much time must he stare at any given sinner? must he watch them all, or just load a browser page and click on "gimme a random sinner" to watch? will there be a sinner of the day, like today is hitler and tomorrow is some random gay man who obviously went to hell, because it doesn't matter if you are a loving person, you also have to be loving towards the right gender?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
Why would it not be literal? Because it doesn't sound nice?

in the religion that prides itself on love and forgiveness, that's obviously the reason it isn't literal.