Originally posted by kirksey957
I think you misunderstood my intent. I was not interested in arguing the date of a book in the Bible. I think where we get our opinions is important and relevent because I think it is a good idea to be well-read. That's all. I was going to suggest an interesting book to you that in many ways mirrors some of the dialogue in these forums yet at a scholastic level. Genesis by Bill Moyers.

Thank you for the recommendation. I will see about finding a copy.

Originally posted by RBHILL
Satan can proform false miracles to you know.

To who? No, I don't know....

P

Originally posted by Phlabibit
To who? No, I don't know....

P

He clearly meant 'too'. Can we please get a bit more mature than making fun of a condition the man can't help?

Originally posted by Darfius
He clearly meant 'too'. Can we please get a bit more mature than making fun of a condition the man can't help?

You know I read his post the same as Phlab and I had to intent of making fun of him. I often read RB's posts and I'm not sure how to take them or understand them. It is his "thorn in the flesh." He is sincere, but I hope we can sometimes laugh at ourselves and hope he will do the same.

Originally posted by kirksey957
Thank you for responding. I think you need to re-read my post. I said the hallmark of a spiritual person is that they are able to find God's revelation in the most unlikely of places. I never mentioned Jesus' death on the cross in my post.

Do you think it is possible to experience the goodness of God's creation in an orgasm? I did not say tha ...[text shortened]... ly want to know if it is in the realm of possibilities to experience this as a gift from God.

Kirk: "Christians are so preoccupied with sex ......"

Originally posted by ivanhoe

Kirk: "Christians are so preoccupied with sex ......"

Yea, some talk about it. Others do it. Which do you think is healthier?

Originally posted by Darfius
Joseph Smith is a false prophet because he claimed God used to be a man. That makes no sense, Biblically and logically. He also claims we will all become gods when we die.

Mormons believe that Joseph Smith is the complete revelation of
Christianity, just as Christians believe that Jesus is the complete
revelation of Judaism.

Just like Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenent, Smith brought to completion
the New one.

Arianism was a common belief among early Christians (that Jesus
was the 'adopted' Son of God). It's not like Smith invented it.

And, how do you know that Smith isn't the complete revelation?

You don't, you just believe that he isn't.

Nemesio

Originally posted by RBHILL
Satan can proform false miracles to you know.

Ok. How do you know that Jesus wasn't a bad guy influenced by
Satan?

You don't know. You believe. You believe Jesus performed
True Miracles and Smith performed False Miracles.

Mormons believe that Jesus performed True Miracles and Smith
performed True Miracles.

Faith, not knowledge. Belief, not fact.

If both God and Satan can perform miracles, then miraculous works
cannot confer any definitive identification of Good and Evil.

Nemesio

Originally posted by Darfius
A tree makes no claims. Allah does. By calling him beautiful, you agree with him and thus cannot be Christian.

First of all, I make no claims about my faith.

Second of all, you are full of crap. Just because I find something
beautiful, doesn't mean that I agree with it. Something can be
beautiful and horrifying, don't you think?

Do you think Satan is ugly? No, I would think, as the chief temptor,
he would be very beautiful indeed.

Nemesio

Originally posted by Darfius
I will, however, make the claim that most scholars, even liberal, believe the book of Revelation was written in 96 at the latest, along with the books of John.

Just the opposite. Most scholars accept 95 as the earliest possible
date.

And, don't you dare ask me for sources when you yourself provided
none.

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
Something can be
beautiful and horrifying, don't you think?

Yes, like a Shakespeare tragedy, or one of Eminem's murder ballads.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Yes, like a Shakespeare tragedy, or one of Eminem's murder ballads.

The Encore CD Booklet... I got the CD for christmas.... very shocking images! I did a christmas reading on the lyrics.

Just kidding, I kind of fanned myself with the booklet and showed my sister what she'd purchased for me. We giggled, and acted all shocked about it.

T

Originally posted by Nemesio
First of all, I make no claims about my faith.

Second of all, you are full of crap. Just because I find something
beautiful, doesn't mean that I agree with it. Something can be
beautiful and horrifying, don't you think?

Do you think Satan is ugly? No, I would think, as the chief temptor,
he would be very beautiful indeed.

Nemesio

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Originally posted by Nemesio
Mormons believe that Joseph Smith is the complete revelation of
Christianity, just as Christians believe that Jesus is the complete
revelation of Judaism.

Just like Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenent, Smith brought to completion
the New one.

Arianism was a common belief among early Christians (that Jesus
was the 'adopted' Son of God). It's not li ...[text shortened]... sn't the complete revelation?

You don't, you just [b]believe that he isn't.

Nemesio[/b]

Because I judge Smith by the Old Testament since he claims to be sent from the Old Testament God. He says God used to be Adam when God says He has always been. Adam was created.

Smith was a false prophet who's claims have been contradicted by archeology again and again.

End of story.

Originally posted by Nemesio
First of all, I make no claims about my faith.

Second of all, you are full of crap. Just because I find something
beautiful, doesn't mean that I agree with it. Something can be
beautiful and horrifying, don't you think?

Do you think Satan is ugly? No, I would think, as the chief temptor,
he would be very beautiful indeed.

Nemesio

I make the claim for you. You're not Christian, so don't you dare ever smear our name with yours, heretic. I have concern for you, but I will not let you smear God's holy name with your ridiculous theories, because that's all they are.

So what do you think of Allah, Nemesio? Do you agree with him or not? Quit hiding behind anonymity, wimp.