Originally posted by roigamPersonally I dont pray to Jesus, but through Jesus as Jesus requested. However it is a very trivial matter if you look at the teachings of the NT pertaining to who Jesus Christ is in relation to God. People, disciples, followers revered him and followed him as if he were God himself. Would you think that Christ would not bother to hear the prayers of those who pray to him rather than through him? I doubt that. Here is an idea of who God listens to:
Christians should pray to God the Father through Jesus not to Jesus.
if we do then Jesus will do his Father's will in answering our prayer.
(John 14:6) Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
(John 14:13, 14) Also, whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, so that the Father may be glori ...[text shortened]... (1 Timothy 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
1 Peter 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
It is far more important to live righteously before God that to quibble over petty matters.
There are Christian sects that laugh at the Catholics for praying to Mary the mother of Jesus. Christianity in general has demoted Mary to that of an ordinary mother. So while I dont pray to Mary myself I have to wonder what Mary meant when she said that all generations would rise and call her blessed.
09 Oct 15
Originally posted by Rajk999I agree about the petty matters but, the Name of the True God is not a petty matter.
Personally I dont pray to Jesus, but through Jesus as Jesus requested. However it is a very trivial matter if you look at the teachings of the NT pertaining to who Jesus Christ is in relation to God. People, disciples, followers revered him and followed him as if he were God himself. Would you think that Christ would not bother to hear the prayers of those ...[text shortened]... ve to wonder what Mary meant when she said that all generations would rise and call her blessed.
(Matthew 6:9) “You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.
(John 17:26) I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
If we know and use the Father's Name we can be sure of God's love. To me that is not a petty matter.
09 Oct 15
Originally posted by roigamSo what is the name is of the true God?
I agree about the petty matters but, the Name of the True God is not a petty matter.
(Matthew 6:9) “You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.
(John 17:26) I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
If we know and use the Father's Name we can be sure of God's love. To me that is not a petty matter.
Originally posted by Rajk999Suddenly got dumb roigam? Probably you smell trouble. Can you go down this road and try to tell me what is Gods name? Because God, the same God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, has been known by dozens of names in hundreds of languages, and ALL ARE CORRECT.
So what is the name is of the true God?
The name chosen by JWs, Jehovah, does not even appear in the NT. 'Jehovah' is a corruption of the Hebrew word 'Yahweh'. So there is nothing superior about the Watchtower's choice for Gods name.
All that your religion does is to try to find petty ways of separating themselves from the rest of Christianity.
13 Oct 15
Originally posted by Rajk999You are entitled to your opinion.
Suddenly got dumb roigam? Probably you smell trouble. Can you go down this road and try to tell me what is Gods name? Because God, the same God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, has been known by dozens of names in hundreds of languages, and ALL ARE CORRECT.
The name chosen by JWs, Jehovah, does not even appear in the NT. 'Jehovah' is a corruption of the Heb ...[text shortened]... ligion does is to try to find petty ways of separating themselves from the rest of Christianity.
Jehovah is the English form of the Hebrew name Yahweh.
It's like John in Spanish is Juan.
Jehovah's Name is in many languages.
As He created the languages, no doubt He knows when we call on His Name or not.
It's not rocket science.
13 Oct 15
Originally posted by Rajk999So which form of Yahweh do you use?
Suddenly got dumb roigam? Probably you smell trouble. Can you go down this road and try to tell me what is Gods name? Because God, the same God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, has been known by dozens of names in hundreds of languages, and ALL ARE CORRECT.
The name chosen by JWs, Jehovah, does not even appear in the NT. 'Jehovah' is a corruption of the Heb ...[text shortened]... ligion does is to try to find petty ways of separating themselves from the rest of Christianity.
What do you call the True God?
13 Oct 15
Originally posted by Rajk999So you haven't read (John 17:26) I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
Jesus called his father 'God'. That is good enough for Jesus and for me as well.
Thank goodness God is not as petty as you JWs.
Jesus made "God's Name" known to his true followers, not the title God.
(1 Corinthians 8:5, 6) For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
13 Oct 15
Originally posted by roigamAs far as being petty, (Luke 16:10) The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much.
So you haven't read (John 17:26) I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
Jesus made "God's Name" known to his true followers, not the title God.
(1 Corinthians 8:5, 6) For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there a ...[text shortened]... we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
13 Oct 15
Originally posted by roigamSo Jesus said he made known to the disciples Gods name, and yet He did not mention it. You say the name is Jehovah but it is not stated anywhere in the Bible. And you are cool with that doctrine.
So you haven't read (John 17:26) I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
Jesus made "God's Name" known to his true followers, not the title God.
(1 Corinthians 8:5, 6) For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there a ...[text shortened]... we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
13 Oct 15
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Originally posted by Rajk999The Name Jehovah is written almost 7000 times in the original manuscripts.
So Jesus said he made known to the disciples Gods name, and yet He did not mention it. You say the name is Jehovah but it is not stated anywhere in the Bible. And you are cool with that doctrine.
It has been removed by Bible translators through the years.
In our day a number of Bibles have restored the Name Jehovah.
i.e. The Divine Name King James Bible (2012) for one.
The Name is also in the term Hallelujah which means when translated,
"praise Jehovah you people".
Suss it out.
13 Oct 15
Originally posted by roigamSo now the KJV is defective.
The Name Jehovah is written almost 7000 times in the original manuscripts.
It has been removed by Bible translators through the years.
In our day a number of Bibles have restored the Name Jehovah.
i.e. The Divine Name King James Bible (2012) for one.
The Name is also in the term Hallelujah which means when translated,
"praise Jehovah you people".
Suss it out.
Originally posted by roigamTake a close read of John 17:26:
As far as being petty, (Luke 16:10) The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much.
And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. (Joh 17:26)
DId you get the point Christ is making? If there was some special name Christ would have said what that name was, if it was a critical matter. But the point is not the name. The point is that Christ taught his disciples about the Father so that the love that the Father had for the Son, that the disciples would love Christ with the same love and Christ would love them with the same love.
Now not everyone that reads the Bible and come to the same conclusion. If all you glean from that passage is that the name is critical [which is not there except for God or Father] then maybe Christ would be understanding to your shortcomings.