Originally posted by KellyJay
I just don't understand your view
that some how it is our value to God that brings some to get more
rewards than others.
Kelly

Because every reward system that I have ever encountered, in which some people are rewarded while others are not, rewards those whom the rewarder values more. Can you provide a counterexample?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Because every reward system that I have ever encountered, in which some people are rewarded while others are not, rewards those whom the rewarder values more. Can you provide a counterexample?

I was assuming you had an example within scripture you were
thinking of. I'll give you some examples and you can tell me if it is
as you thought it was.
Kelly

Psalm 62:11-13
11 One thing God has spoken,
two things have I heard:
that you, O God, are strong,

12 and that you, O Lord, are loving.
Surely you will reward each person
according to what he has done.

Proverbs 11:17-19
17 A kind man benefits himself,
but a cruel man brings trouble on himself.

18 The wicked man earns deceptive wages,
but he who sows righteousness reaps a sure reward.

19 The truly righteous man attains life,
but he who pursues evil goes to his death.


Jeremiah 17:9-11
9 The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?

10 "I the LORD search the heart
and examine the mind,
to reward a man according to his conduct,
according to what his deeds deserve."

11 Like a partridge that hatches eggs it did not lay
is the man who gains riches by unjust means.
When his life is half gone, they will desert him,
and in the end he will prove to be a fool.

Matthew 5:45-47
45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?


Matthew 6:1-3
1"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,

Matthew 10:41-43
41Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward. 42And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."

Luke 6:34-36
But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

Revelation 22:11-13
11Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

12"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.



Value is not even talked about when it comes to rewards, instead
our deeds.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay

Value is not even talked about when it comes to rewards, instead
our deeds.
Kelly

None of those verses pertain to heaven. Do you have any that speak about heavenly rewards rather than earthly rewards?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
None of those verses pertain to heaven. Do you have any that speak about heavenly rewards rather than earthly rewards?

I would say otherwise, but give me one you know is for a heavenly
reward, let us start with a verse we both agree with. If you want me
to find one for you I will.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I would say otherwise, but give me one you know is for a heavenly
reward

I'm not convinced that there are any, hence the thread. I don't even have any candidates.

Originally posted by KneverKnight
Is Cain in Heaven?
Reason I ask is, what was wrong with his sacrifice?
This seems to be God favoring one over the other, at least here on Earth.

Maybe, I don't know, it had somethig to do with his murdering
his brother?
Kelly

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
I'm not convinced that there are any, hence the thread. I don't even have any candidates.

Okay, well I guess we have nothing to talk about then?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Maybe, I don't know, it had somethig to do with his murdering
his brother?
Kelly

God's rejection of Cain's vegetable offering produced the murderous rage that gave Abel cause to rue the day. So, what was wrong with the vegetables? Simply a case of God having a savoury tooth?

Some say that the myth encodes a dispute between nomads (sheep) and farmers (crops), with the sheep-lovers enjoying the advantage on that occasion (history written by the winners).

Originally posted by KellyJay
Maybe, I don't know, it had somethig to do with his murdering
his brother?
Kelly

Sure about the murdering, that was Cain's act; but what about the rejection of Cain's sacrifice?
Was Cain non-white?
In a spiritual sense, of course.
There have been some who claim to be "god's chosen people"; do they get the best digs in the Heavenly Beyond?
Or, by the intense use of prayer have xtian Fundies usurped them? Sucked up to the Big Boy better.
How many "Mansions in the Sky" are there anyways?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
A caste system is a societal hierarchy, in which some classes of people are valued differently, expected to play different roles, and entitled to differing levels of privilege based on their class.

Does the Bible indicate that certain people will be entitled to greater rewards in heaven, or will all people be treated equally and receive the same level of rewards?

The Bible indicates that there will be rewards. Confer with St Matthew 6:1-18,
which refers explicitly to them (note that there are no analogous passages in
the other Gospel traditions).

So, we don't need to 'infer' anything. If we take St Matthew's report as an
accurate reflection of Jesus's sentiments as a given, there is no debate. There
will be rewards in heaven for righteous behavior.

So, it would seem logical that if a righteous person dies at 20, he will have
fewer rewards than the righteous person who dies at 60.

Nemesio

Originally posted by KellyJay
I would not say any will be valued above any other, yet at the same
time the rewards will vary on account of the work done here. God has
no favorites, but there are those that know Him better than others,
that have done more for God's cause than others.

I hope that makes sense!
Kelly.

Whoa there! Remember the parable of the vineyard-owner and the workers?

Originally posted by Nemesio
The Bible indicates that there will be rewards. Confer with St Matthew 6:1-18,
which refers explicitly to them (note that there are no analogous passages in
the other Gospel traditions).

So, we don't need to 'infer' anything. If we take St Matthew's report as an
accurate reflection of Jesus's sentiments as a given, there is no debate. There
w ...[text shortened]... on dies at 20, he will have
fewer rewards than the righteous person who dies at 60.

Nemesio

How does Mt 6 lead to the inference that there are varying degrees of rewards in heaven??