Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are not going to be a sore loser are you? We can still be friends
sure your right, you have ignored the actual sacred text as it appears in the base texts,
ignored Greek grammatical structure, ignored translations which acknowledge the
indefinite nature of the predicate, you have ignored all examples demonstrating why its
an indefinite predicate noun, you have ignored all reason demonstrating why its an
ind ...[text shortened]... you. If blatant ignorance is
what makes you happy, then who am i to stop your celebrating it.
and learn together.
Originally posted by RJHindswhat is there to lose but your prejudices? I dont know about friends, after all, 1st letter
You are not going to be a sore loser are you? We can still be friends
and learn together.
Corinthians states, 'bad associations spoil useful habits'. But you can rest assured, we
are not finished exposing the religious bias of pagan trinitarians translators just yet
. Nope, the sacred text cannot be muffled, no indeed, for even a little light can
overcome such a great darkness
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWe need to come together like Christians and seek the truth and don't
what is there to lose but your prejudices? I dont know about friends, after all, 1st letter
Corinthians states, 'bad associations spoil useful habits'. But you can rest assured, we
are not finished exposing the religious bias of pagan trinitarians translators just yet
. Nope, the sacred text cannot be muffled, no indeed, for even a little light can
overcome such a great darkness
deny it when we find it. You know that Jehovah is not the name of God,
So isn't it time you start learning and teaching others the truth instead
of a lie. We will never convert atheists over to Christianity by telling
them lies.
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Originally posted by RJHindsI have no problem with atheists, i like them, at least they are generally objective
We need to come together like Christians and seek the truth and don't
deny it when we find it. You know that Jehovah is not the name of God,
So isn't it time you start learning and teaching others the truth instead
of a lie. We will never convert atheists over to Christianity by telling
them lies.
enough to realise a bias when they see one, unlike those who profess to be Christians,
hiding behind contrived arguments in the face of all reasonableness. Those are the
wolves in sheep's clothing that a Christian needs to worry about, not the poor atheists.
from among yourselves men will arise and speak twisted things. . . .
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf you were not so brainwashed and reprogrammed by the Watchtower
I have no problem with atheists, i like them, at least they are generally objective
enough to realise a bias when they see one, unlike those who profess to be Christians,
hiding behind contrived arguments in the face of all reasonableness. Those are the
wolves in sheep's clothing that a Christian needs to worry about, not the poor atheists.
from among yourselves men will arise and speak twisted things. . . .
you would be able to see the truth when you stumble across it. But you
have allowed them to put blinders on you. You can not recognize a
friend that is willing to help you.
Originally posted by RJHindssee how you lose all objectivity, watchtower this, Jehovahs witnesses that? In this
If you were not so brainwashed and reprogrammed by the Watchtower
you would be able to see the truth when you stumble across it. But you
have allowed them to put blinders on you. You can not recognize a
friend that is willing to help you.
entire thread i have not mentioned either, no not once, because i wished to remain
impartial and objective, simply using the ancient text to establish my arguments and
now you resort to this type of underhanded mud slinging. Watch out for woodcutters in
the forest RJH, they have a habit of cutting open bad ol wolves to see if there are any
old grannies hiding inside.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell isn't it true that you have be programmed by reading Watchtower
see how you lose all objectivity, watchtower this, Jehovahs witnesses that? In this
entire thread i have not mentioned either, no not once, because i wished to remain
impartial and objective, simply using the ancient text to establish my arguments and
now you resort to this type of underhanded mud slinging. Watch out for woodcutters in
the ...[text shortened]... have a habit of cutting open bad ol wolves to see if there are any
old grannies hiding inside.
literature?
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Originally posted by RJHindsNope, its simply a fallacious lie. I was not brought up as a witness, i made a conscious
Well isn't it true that you have be programmed by reading Watchtower
literature?
choice after looking at many religions. I have read, Alister Crowley, magic in theory
and practice, i have read Ron Hubbards book on Scientology, i have read in part the
Koran, I have read books that i bought from Hare Krishnas who were soliciting for
funds on the street, i used to read the literature in the Christian scientist shop near my
home, I attended a protestant Sunday school as a child, my own father is a Catholic
and instilled in me some principles of Catholicism, are you getting the picture?
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Originally posted by RJHinds
Moses was told by God that his name was YH not YHWH. And YH is
not unpronounceable. I told you it is pronounced, like in Hallel Yah.
The Son of God said He came in His Fathers name, which means two
things. First, He came in the authority of His Father and second, He
had the Name of His Father, YAH. That is, Yah-shua. It was the Son
of God, the Wor this translation "the Word was
a god" making it sound like there is God and a god with God.
Moses was told by God that his name was YH not YHWH. And YH is
not unpronounceable. I told you it is pronounced, like in Hallel Yah.
The Son of God said He came in His Fathers name, which means two
things. First, He came in the authority of His Father and second, He
had the Name of His Father, YAH. That is, Yah-shua. It was the Son
of God, the Word, that appeared to Moses in the form of the Angel of
the Lord and gave the Father's name YAH for Moses to tell the children of
Israel who had sent him to them. For no man has seen God the Father
at any time. It is the Son that has made Him known.
I do not count it as a major issue. But thanks for your information.
I am afraid that you will just have to bear with me refering to Jehovah, or God, or Yahweh, or Lord, or Elohim, or Jah pretty much in an unselfconcious way.
I respect that you feel to be more legal or strict in your practice. I feel refering to "Jehovah" is fine.
P.S. I think you are getting confused with this translation "the Word was
a god" making it sound like there is God and a god with God.
The Watchtower uses a translation like that, or defends one like that, precisely because they want to establish that Jesus Christ is NOT God. They read into John 1:1 that the Word is another god there.
This "the Word was a god" or "the word was deity" is not an English translation that I have ever thought was valid, based on what I have read by Christian scholars. At least one expert in NT Greek translation said it was a highly unlikely rendering.
I am not sure what you are saying I'm confused about. I am not defending the translation. I am challenging Robbie that if it is right, what does he do with its contradiction to other passages in Isaiah.
That is not an admission of the rendering's accuracy.
Originally posted by jaywillBy your statements and questions to him, I thought you had accepted
[quote] Moses was told by God that his name was YH not YHWH. And YH is
not unpronounceable. I told you it is pronounced, like in Hallel Yah.
The Son of God said He came in His Fathers name, which means two
things. First, He came in the authority of His Father and second, He
had the Name of His Father, YAH. That is, Yah-shua. It was the Son
of God, ...[text shortened]... other passages in Isaiah.
That is not an admission of the rendering's accuracy.
that translation, since you previously had said you had no problem
with it. Maybe, it is just a misunderstanding.
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Originally posted by jaywillthe watchtower did not write the ancient text, did it? it was not responsible for
[quote] Moses was told by God that his name was YH not YHWH. And YH is
not unpronounceable. I told you it is pronounced, like in Hallel Yah.
The Son of God said He came in His Fathers name, which means two
things. First, He came in the authority of His Father and second, He
had the Name of His Father, YAH. That is, Yah-shua. It was the Son
of God, other passages in Isaiah.
That is not an admission of the rendering's accuracy.
making the third clause of John 1:1 a predicate noun, was it? Its not the watchtower
society's fault that your translators acknowledge the Greek grammatical form in the
first two clauses and ignore it in the second, is it. Its not the watchtowers society's
fault that the trinitarian translators have made a basterdization of the ancient text
for Christians who dont know the difference, is it. If they cannot be trusted to
accurately portray what is written, what other lies are they hiding? Luke 16:10 'he
who is righteous in least is righteous in much also'. Throughout this thread, you
have attempted to use theological arguments that have no bearing on what the text
actually states, in fact, you at one point claimed that Christ was part of creation, yet
uncreated, why, because like every other trinitarian, you cannot escape your
dogma and thus your perception of scripture is skewed, distorted because of it.
Keep your eye simple states the Christ and your whole body will be bright, but nooo,
you do not even understand that there are many entities in scripture termed 'a
god', for example, 'the god of the system'. You do not understand that 'a god',
belongs to a class, for the predicate is describing the character of 'the Word'. Talking
to a trinitarian is like talking to a brick wall, nothing penetrates, it simply
reverberates back off the side of their skulls and dissipates into thin air.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou can tell jokes now, I see.
the watchtower did not write the ancient text, did it? it was not responsible for
making the third clause of John 1:1 a predicate noun, was it? Its not the watchtower
society's fault that your translators acknowledge the Greek grammatical form in the
first two clauses and ignore it in the second, is it. Its not the watchtowers society's
fa ...[text shortened]... imply
reverberates back off the side of their skulls and dissipates into thin air.
Originally posted by RJHindsWe have hundreds of thousands of Witnesses that we not only of other religions such as your but were also atheist themselves. You have no idea what your talking about as your not a Witness and have no idea who we are or were.
We need to come together like Christians and seek the truth and don't
deny it when we find it. You know that Jehovah is not the name of God,
So isn't it time you start learning and teaching others the truth instead
of a lie. We will never convert atheists over to Christianity by telling
them lies.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis attutude ia also very obvious to ones who theing they are "NOW SAVED". It's pretty much a look down their nose at you feeling.
the watchtower did not write the ancient text, did it? it was not responsible for
making the third clause of John 1:1 a predicate noun, was it? Its not the watchtower
society's fault that your translators acknowledge the Greek grammatical form in the
first two clauses and ignore it in the second, is it. Its not the watchtowers society's
fa ...[text shortened]... imply
reverberates back off the side of their skulls and dissipates into thin air.