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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWe have gone over this before and even referred you to a website.
😴 why is he not termed the Almighty God? we have already established that Jesus is a Mighty God, we even translated John 1:1 as 'a god', why not the Almighty?
(Philippians 2:5-6) . . .Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus,
who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure,
namely, that ...[text shortened]... ld be equal to God.
was Paul lying? either he is lying or you are lying, which one is it?
He calls Himself "Almighty" in His Revelation to John.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His
bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent
and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who
testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ,
even to all that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who
hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are
written in it; for the time is near.
John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace,
from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the
seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the
faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings
of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by
His blood—and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God
and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever.
Amen.
BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see
Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will
mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and
who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed
His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and
the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive
forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
“Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render
to every man according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and
the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the
churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright
morning star.”
(Revelation 1:1-8, 17-18; 22:12-13, 16)
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Originally posted by RJHindsi dont accept your rendering of that text, it does not state Jesus, it states 'Lord God',
We have gone over this before and even referred you to a website.
He calls Himself "Almighty" in His Revelation to John.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His
bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent
and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who
testified to the word of God and to ...[text shortened]... he descendant of David, the bright
morning star.”
(Revelation 1:1-8, 17-18; 22:12-13, 16)
whom we know is Jehovah, and anyway, even if it was true the term at
Isaiah is mighty God and is different from the Hebrew term almighty God, making
your assertion completely irrelevant. So i will ask you the same question that
divesgeester could not bring himself to answer, who is lying, you or Paul,
(Philippians 2:5-6) . . .Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus,
who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure,
namely, that he should be equal to God.
so either Paul is talking pants, or you are talking pants and my money is on you,
considering your propensity for talking double concentrated pantaloons! You now
have three or four unanswered questions.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie&NR=1
i dont accept your rendering of that text, it does not state Jesus, it states 'Lord God',
whom we know is Jehovah, and anyway, even if it was true the term at
Isaiah is mighty God and is different from the Hebrew term almighty God, making
your assertion completely irrelevant. So i will ask you the same question that
divesgeester could not br ...[text shortened]... for talking double concentrated pantaloons! You now
have three or four unanswered questions.
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Originally posted by RJHindssorry i have better things to do than look up youtube references, meanwhile you have yet to answer the following
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQJIf2AvT0U&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIRylmSmm-E
1.was the associate professor lying when he stated that the NWT is the most accurate
2.was Paul lying when he stated that Jesus gave no consideration to the idea that he was equal with God
3.are you lying when you say that he is equal to God
4.why were the Coptic Christians unable to understand Greek
7.why were the Coptic Christians unable to understand their own language
8.Why does the Sahidic coptic text state 'a god'.
thanks in advance - Robbie
Originally posted by robbie carrobiePhilippians 2:5-6
i dont accept your rendering of that text, it does not state Jesus, it states 'Lord God',
whom we know is Jehovah, and anyway, even if it was true the term at
Isaiah is mighty God and is different from the Hebrew term almighty God, making
your assertion completely irrelevant. So i will ask you the same question that
divesgeester could not br ...[text shortened]... for talking double concentrated pantaloons! You now
have three or four unanswered questions.
These verses provide the background for Christ's incarnation. The first word we need to consider is form in verse 6. It is the Greek morphe, for which English has no exact equivalent. Unlike "form" in English, morphe does not mean "shape." It is a philosophical term that means "the outward expression of an inner essence." We can derive an illustration of this definition from figure skating. One might say, "I went to the Winter Olympics, and the figure skater's form was outstanding." What is meant is that skater's swift, rhythmic grace, and coordinated movements were an outward expression of his inward ability to skate expertly.
Jesus was in the form (morphe) of God. The word being indicates a condition that began in the past and continues into the present. Therefore, while on earth, the outward expression of His inmost being was the expression of the divine essence, deity. Paul means that when the One who became Jesus, the Word, came to earth to assume the form of a man, He did not cease being God.
Also in verse 6 is the word consider, meaning "to make a judgment based on facts." Paul desires us to weigh the difference between Christ's original state with what He became as a man. He implies that the difference—and thus His humility in making such a sacrifice—is awesome.
The word robbery has two applications: "to seize unlawfully" or "a treasure to be clutched and retained at all hazards." Since the subject of this section is Christ's humility, the second meaning must be the proper application. Christ humbly did not assert His right to consider the expression of His divine essence such a treasure that He should hold on to it at all hazards. He waived that right. This is the very essence of humility.
Finally, God in verse 6 does not refer to a Personage, or it would say "the God" in the Greek. Since it does not, it must refer to deity in general, that is, the expression of the divine essence.
Verse 6, then, declares that, before His incarnation, the Word outwardly expressed His essential nature—Deity—and He judged that being equal with Deity in the expression of the divine essence was not a treasure to be clung to and held at all hazards. Thus, He gave it up to take on another outward expression.
John W. Ritenbaugh
Originally posted by RJHindsok, once again cutting through the theological pile of bull and flawed reasoning of
Philippians 2:5-6
These verses provide the background for Christ's incarnation. The first word we need to consider is form in verse 6. It is the Greek morphe, for which English has no exact equivalent. Unlike "form" in English, morphe does not mean "shape." It is a philosophical term that means "the outward expression of an inner essence." We can derive a ...[text shortened]... He gave it up to take on another outward expression.
John W. Ritenbaugh
snake trinitarians, one can readily discern that the term, seizure is the correct
rendering. Never the less, the first thing that we note is that the translators of the
NIV and others, have taken it upon themselves to change Pauls language
concerning the Christ, literally,' en morphe theos, 'in the form of God' to 'being the
very nature of God'. This is no surprise, it was translated by a nest of biased
triniarian snakes.
Now the Greek word 'morphe', is fairly generic, it can mean a number of things. But
it does not mean 'essence', or 'nature', nor does it signify that anything 'was' or 'is
one' with something else. These four translation (NIV, TEB, AB and LB) do not
translate the Greek, but have substituted interpretations of their own, not based in
Pauls language at all. Therefore they are inaccurate and their bias is evident in what
they try to import into the passage - Associate professor BeDoun, truth in translation
page 53.
so the snakes have tried to change the appearance of the text, once again, shame
on them and shame on you.
As for the lexical rendering of harpagmos 'seizure', i will deal with it and you later,
right now i am having lunch.
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Originally posted by RJHindsdouble post, but meh, sometimes one has to tell these things a second time.
Philippians 2:5-6
These verses provide the background for Christ's incarnation. The first word we need to consider is form in verse 6. It is the Greek morphe, for which English has no exact equivalent. Unlike "form" in English, morphe does not mean "shape." It is a philosophical term that means "the outward expression of an inner essence." We can derive a He gave it up to take on another outward expression.
John W. Ritenbaugh
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYahshua (Jesus) is the Lord God. He is the God of the Christians. We
i dont accept your rendering of that text, it does not state Jesus, it states 'Lord God',
whom we know is Jehovah, and anyway, even if it was true the term at
Isaiah is mighty God and is different from the Hebrew term almighty God, making
your assertion completely irrelevant. So i will ask you the same question that
divesgeester could not br ...[text shortened]... for talking double concentrated pantaloons! You now
have three or four unanswered questions.
call Him, "God with us". He is our Lord and Savior. He says, "I am the
Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
And just before that He says, I was dead." The one that says he is the
Almighty also identifies Himself as the "Alpha and the Omega." It is
Yahsua (Jesus) for this is revelation to John and to man.
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Originally posted by RJHindsno its not, your talking more pants.
Yahshua (Jesus) is the Lord God. He is the God of the Christians. We
call Him, "God with us". He is our Lord and Savior. He says, "I am the
Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
And just before that He says, I was dead." The one that says he is the
Almighty also identifies Himself as the "Alpha and the Omega." It is
Yahsua (Jesus) for this is revelation to John and to man.
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Originally posted by RJHindshappy is he who has two bread rolls with crispy bacon and a cup of coffee for lunch.
Happy is he who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy,
and who observe the things written in it; for the appointed time is near.
(Revelation 1:3 NWT)
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Originally posted by RJHindsSo who else besides you knows this truth you keep referring to? Are there many others that are in complete agreement with you on all these subjects or are these truths all your own? Please explain because so far I haven't heard anyone here yet that completely agrees with you on anything and in fact most don't at all......
Apparently you still do not know the truth. You did not seek hard enough.
Originally posted by galveston75The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit know the complete truth.
So who else besides you knows this truth you keep referring to? Are there many others that are in complete agreement with you on all these subjects or are these truths all your own? Please explain because so far I haven't heard anyone here yet that completely agrees with you on anything and in fact most don't at all......
We humans only know what truth is revealed to us. Some will accept
it and others will reject it. I have not kept track of who is in complete
agreement with me.