Sumydid on Secular Liberal Progressives

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
If you do, you've hidden it well thus far.

What do you think it is?

Google it.

Originally posted by FMF
Google it.

It'd be funnier if it made sense. You're trying too hard.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
It'd be funnier if it made sense. You're trying too hard.

I'm just giving you the brush off ThinkOfOne, not trying to be funny. Don't overthink it. 😉

Originally posted by FMF
I'm just giving you the brush off ThinkOfOne, not trying to be funny. Don't overthink it. 😉

Nice try. It still would have been funnier if it actually made sense.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
There are countless churches that have Christ as their figurehead.

Did you think yours was the only one?

My what exactly?

What I'm saying is Christ is our only hope.

My church recognizes that as where other religions seem to think their good will hopefully outweigh their bad so as to have some hope in the after life.

They have no comprehension of how sin has stained them and continue to try and earn their salvation.

Originally posted by whodey
They have no comprehension of how sin has stained them and continue to try and earn their salvation.

Aren't these "they", that you are referring to, people with different religions from yours? So it's hardly surprising that they subscribe to a different theology from you.

Originally posted by whodey
My what exactly?

What I'm saying is Christ is our only hope.

My church recognizes that as where other religions seem to think their good will hopefully outweigh their bad so as to have some hope in the after life.

They have no comprehension of how sin has stained them and continue to try and earn their salvation.

My what exactly?

Your church. You really couldn't figure that out from the context of my discussion with DG and what I asked you?

What I'm saying is Christ is our only hope.

My church recognizes that as where other religions seem to think their good will hopefully outweigh their bad so as to have some hope in the after life.

They have no comprehension of how sin has stained them and continue to try and earn their salvation.

I understand that that's how Evangelical Christianity is marketed.

It's not only nonsensical, it flies in the face of what Jesus taught while He walked the Earth.

From what I can tell, Evangelical Christians are so thrilled about getting a "free gift" that they are blinded to the gospel contained in the words Jesus spoke while He walked the Earth.

You should really sit down and deeply consider what you've been sold and how it's marketed: "But wait there's more".

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
[b]My what exactly?

Your church. You really couldn't figure that out from the context of my discussion with DG and what I asked you?

What I'm saying is Christ is our only hope.

My church recognizes that as where other religions seem to think their good will hopefully outweigh their bad so as to have some hope in the after life.

They ...[text shortened]... e He walked the Earth.

You should really sit down and deeply consider what you've been sold.

John 3:16 speaks of that "free gift", and there may be other verses in line with that as well.

Does the words of Jesus 'cancel' John 3:16?

Originally posted by chaney3
John 3:16 speaks of that "free gift", and there may be other verses in line with that as well.

Does the words of Jesus 'cancel' John 3:16?

It is truly an offensive message. Salvation by one man and no other.

No wonder they nailed Christ to a cross.

I can just picture all of the religious leaders getting bent out of shape with the notion that they were farther from God than the typical sinner.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
[b]My what exactly?

Your church. You really couldn't figure that out from the context of my discussion with DG and what I asked you?

What I'm saying is Christ is our only hope.

My church recognizes that as where other religions seem to think their good will hopefully outweigh their bad so as to have some hope in the after life.

They ...[text shortened]... t down and deeply consider what you've been sold and how it's marketed: "But wait there's more".

My church has no bearing on the truth. Christ is either the only road to God or he is not. My church and believe it or they can reject that notion.

It's really just that simple.

Originally posted by whodey
It is truly an offensive message. Salvation by one man and no other.

No wonder they nailed Christ to a cross.

I can just picture all of the religious leaders getting bent out of shape with the notion that they were farther from God than the typical sinner.

ThinkOfOne seems to be implying that 'others' have spoken of grace and the "free gift", but Jesus did not.

Following the commands of Christ is what he is talking about, which is what Rajk999 also talks about.

They are saying that there is NO free gift....no grace.

Said differently, we must earn our way into 'heaven'.

Originally posted by chaney3
ThinkOfOne seems to be implying that 'others' have spoken of grace and the "free gift", but Jesus did not.

Following the commands of Christ is what he is talking about, which is what Rajk999 also talks about.

They are saying that there is NO free gift....no grace.

Said differently, we must earn our way into 'heaven'.

Earn my way to heaven?

I can barely handle paying for my mortgage. 🙄

Originally posted by whodey
Earn my way to heaven?

I can barely handle paying for my mortgage. 🙄

You have a mortgage on your wigwam?

(Sorry, Robbie is no longer her to berate).

Originally posted by chaney3
John 3:16 speaks of that "free gift", and there may be other verses in line with that as well.

Does the words of Jesus 'cancel' John 3:16?

Does the words of Jesus 'cancel' John 3:16?

Perhaps the most prevalent theme of the teachings of Jesus is the importance of HIS word: understanding, believing, following and most importantly keeping His word.

Jesus also warns of false prophets.

So your question should really be: "Should the words of anyone else 'cancel' the words of Jesus?". The answer should be "No".

John 3:16 speaks of that "free gift", and there may be other verses in line with that as well.

Actually it doesn't - at least not with the concept of "salvation via atoning sacrifice" that is usually associated with it.

john 3
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Note that the verse neither says nor implies anything about "salvation via atoning sacrifice", but that's how many Christians try to sell it.

It can simply be referring to Jesus being sent to speak the word of God and believing the words Jesus spoke.

Originally posted by whodey
My church has no bearing on the truth. Christ is either the only road to God or he is not. My church and believe it or they can reject that notion.

It's really just that simple.

Keeping the will of God is the only road to God. The will of God is contained in the words Jesus spoke while He walked the Earth.

Keeping the will of God IS "the way, and the truth, and the life" that Jesus was speaking of. It makes perfect sense.

It's elegant in its simplicity. Unlike that convoluted "free gift" nonsense that you've bought into.