Supporting Conservative Values

Originally posted by RJHinds
If others try to infringe on our rights, we feel obliged to retaliate with whatever method is necessary.

Actually those 'rights' you talk of, are usually the 'right' to control the worlds oil supply in somebody elses country.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes, I understand that you do not give a crap about the unborn baby; but thanks for making it clear that you also don't give a crap about any baby born in the world.

The U.S. Army is not an abortion organization. It is an organization established for the defense of the liberty and freedoms that the people of our nation have fought to gain. If others try ...[text shortened]... n our rights, we feel obliged to retaliate with whatever method is necessary.

The Instructor

"If others try to infringe on our rights, we feel obliged to retaliate with whatever method is necessary." rj


and thats one of the reasons why women have abortions. so it looks like you are in agreement.

Originally posted by twhitehead
So its OK to murder innocent little babies if they might pose a threat to the Israelites?
Don't you think that this mysterious contagious disease might have simply killed them off anyway if they had just been left alone? And if its contagious, going up to them and killing them and getting blood all over yourself is not the best form of prevention.

If, if, if, if if. That's all you got. You don't know nothin'.

The instructor

Originally posted by twhitehead
Actually those 'rights' you talk of, are usually the 'right' to control the worlds oil supply in somebody elses country.

You don't know nothin' about our rights, numbnuts.

The Instructor

Originally posted by stellspalfie
[b]"If others try to infringe on our rights, we feel obliged to retaliate with whatever method is necessary." rj


and thats one of the reasons why women have abortions. so it looks like you are in agreement.[/b]

Why do think you know why women have abortions, numbnuts?

The Instructor

Originally posted by googlefudge
So you are perfectly fine with murder as long as its against fully formed sentient beings.

But aborting non-sentient balls of cells you consider immoral.

You are seriously f*ed up.

So what?

The Instructor

Originally posted by googlefudge
All absolutely true.

However I don't generally take this line of argument because I do not buy
into the religious notion that sex (between consenting adults) is a bad or
shameful thing when done for any other purpose than reproduction within
religiously approved marriage.

When you make the (valid) argument that women can become pregnant again ...[text shortened]... y women should be able to freely and safely have an abortion if they choose
for any reason.

That's stupid.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
Well, I don't feel like being sensitive to a woman that thinks her unborn baby is nothing more than a mass of cells that can't live outside the womb.

The Instructor

On the other hand, after the fetus is born, you would drop that case like a rock, caring less whether the baby dies of starvation or is sold into slavery, none of that matters because the primary concern is for you to be able to control the bodies of women who have no relation to you, yet you want to rule their reproductive lives.

You are part of the problem.

Originally posted by sonhouse
On the other hand, after the fetus is born, you would drop that case like a rock, caring less whether the baby dies of starvation or is sold into slavery, none of that matters because the primary concern is for you to be able to control the bodies of women who have no relation to you, yet you want to rule their reproductive lives.

You are part of the problem.

I do not wish to rule over any person's life. I just want them to live their lives responsibly and let the babies live theirs. Is that too much to ask for?

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
I do not wish to rule over any person's life. I just want them to live their lives responsibly and let the babies live theirs. Is that too much to ask for?

The Instructor

yes.


EDIT: You can want people to do stuff as much as you like.
What you can't do is impose your wants on other people.
Not when it directly effects what is going on inside THEIR bodies.

Originally posted by RJHinds
That's stupid.

The Instructor

Coming from you that's almost totally meaningless.

Originally posted by RJHinds
So what?

The Instructor

Well being "f*d up" is generally considered to be a bad thing...

And given that you don't seem to be denying that...

You don't get to advocate for state sanctioned murder [executions] and
at the same time call yourself pro-life.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well being "f*d up" is generally considered to be a bad thing...

And given that you don't seem to be denying that...

You don't get to advocate for state sanctioned murder [executions] and
at the same time call yourself pro-life.

One of the reasons for state sanctioned murder [executions] is to allow more people to live their lives in safety. It is best to eliminate the few rotten apples from the barrel rather than let the whole barrel be spoiled.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
Why do think you know why women have abortions, numbnuts?

The Instructor

find some women, become friends, ask them questions, learn stuff.
find some books, read them, learn about stuff.
find some documentaries, watch them, learn about stuff.
take the stuff you learn, think about it, form an opinion.


you should try it sometime.

Originally posted by RJHinds
One of the reasons for state sanctioned murder [executions] is to allow more people to live their lives in safety. It is best to eliminate the few rotten apples from the barrel rather than let the whole barrel be spoiled.

The Instructor

again, this is very similar thinking as to why some women have abortions.

getting rid of a cluster of cells allows a women to live her life in safety (in some situations). a women who falls pregnant to a violent partner can feel they have become trapped and tied to the man. her life can then be permanently in danger and so will be her child when its born.

statistics show that children born into violent families are much, much more likely to continue the cycle of violence. something like 95% of all death row inmates came from a violent childhood.

so it could be argued that the women who aborts in this situation is 'stopping the barrel from being spoiled'. of course you can say she shouldnt have gotten pregnant in the first place, but life is not that simple, we dont know what pressure or mental state these women are under.

there a lots of different sad, tragic scenarios in which its sensible to have an abortion. you just choose to ignore them and ignore the reality of the situations. if it was banned what would happen to all the extra children? social services cant handle things as they are. the kids would go into care and we all know what the tragic consequences are for kids who go through the care system.

so before you bleat on about abortion, you need to start thinking logically about the reality of it. what would you do? pay more tax, have a gigantic social service and care system? letting gay people adopt would help.