Spirituality
25 Aug 19
@chaney3 saidJesus is stone dead and has been for 2,000 years. The notion of having a "personal relationship" with him is, to me, far-fetched psychobabble. I have no reason to believe that a creator being has communicated with humanity in the way that 'revealed' religions contend.
@FMF
I don't think your ideas are unreasonable, but I still feel that God and/or Jesus desires some sort of personal relationship, or connection with each of us.
That is what's missing from your collective posts.
You, on the other hand, are a superstitious person and you have a long posting record that demonstrates that you have a need to shirk personal responsibility and blame others for problems you have. It's no wonder you find there to be something "missing" from my perspective.
@fmf saidThere was nothing in my post that warranted a childish tirade from you.
Jesus is stone dead and has been for 2,000 years. The notion of having a "personal relationship" with him is, to me, far-fetched psychobabble. I have no reason to believe that a creator being has communicated with humanity in the way that 'revealed' religions contend.
You, on the other hand, are a superstitious person and you have a long posting record that demonstrates that ...[text shortened]... for problems you have. It's no wonder you find there to be something "missing" from my perspective.
Carry on.
Note: it's highly noticable that all of your rants are never addressed by dive. You are attacking his 'savior' and his belief system, yet he never responds to you, when he does to every other poster here. This alliance at all costs is bad for this forum.
Note 2: dive will obviously ignore all of your posts about fairy tales of Christianity, and instead find an excuse to attack me.
You two are bad for the spiritualty forum.
29 Aug 19
@fmf saidBy the way, you believed all of the "far fetched psychobabble" for most of your life.
Jesus is stone dead and has been for 2,000 years. The notion of having a "personal relationship" with him is, to me, far-fetched psychobabble. I have no reason to believe that a creator being has communicated with humanity in the way that 'revealed' religions contend.
You, on the other hand, are a superstitious person and you have a long posting record that demonstrates that ...[text shortened]... for problems you have. It's no wonder you find there to be something "missing" from my perspective.
You are a two faced hypocrite....now.
29 Aug 19
@chaney3 saidFMF and I have been discussing spirituality and specifically Christianity away from this website for several years now. We are both fully aware of the others beliefs and attitudes relating to the reality of Jesus Christ, the impact of religious belief generally and the potentially deleterious effects that over-absorbing of man-made dogma can have on an individual.
Note 2: dive will obviously ignore all of your posts about fairy tales of Christianity, and instead find an excuse to attack me.
If FMF thinks my god is a fairy-tail character then that’s ok with me, it’s his choice. He’s ok with me believing what I believe, bearing in mind that I don’t believe god burns people alive for not believing in him.
29 Aug 19
@chaney3 saidI don't attack his "saviour" and his "belief system". Indeed, as I often say, if his "belief system" and his belief in Jesus gives him purpose in life, solace and support, and if it offers him a moral framework, then it's fine by me. You are very naive if you constantly think that the expression of dissenting views and different perspectives constitutes - on a debate and discussion forum - can simply be dismissed as"rants" and "attacks".
it's highly noticable that all of your rants are never addressed by dive. You are attacking his 'savior' and his belief system, yet he never responds to you, when he does to every other poster here.
@chaney3 saidLosing one's faith and then talking about one's beliefs in the wake of ~ or in the light of ~ that change does not make a person a hypocrite.
By the way, you believed all of the "far fetched psychobabble" for most of your life.
You are a two faced hypocrite....now.
You don't seem to know what the word "hypocrite" means.
@chaney3 saidWhat does divegeester need to say to me, or indeed, what do I need to say to him on these matters, that hasn't already been delved into and discussed in countless hours of conversations ~ every moment of which has been of far greater value and more spiritually rich than those I have spent conversing with you? If it were not for the fact that others, apart from you, read what I post, I would not waste a single word on you.
dive will obviously ignore all of your posts about fairy tales of Christianity, and instead find an excuse to attack me.
@divegeester saidYou'd hear plenty from me if you were a duckspeaking peddler of the ludicrous torturer god ideology.
FMF’s ok with me believing what I believe, bearing in mind that I don’t believe god burns people alive for not believing in him.
29 Aug 19
@fmf saidI guess that settles it.
What does divegeester need to say to me, or indeed, what do I need to say to him on these matters, that hasn't already been delved into and discussed in countless hours of conversations ~ every moment of which has been of far greater value and more spiritually rich than those I have spent conversing with you? If it were not for the fact that others, apart from you, read what I post, I would not waste a single word on you.
29 Aug 19
@fmf saidFunny thing, is that this post by FMF, a nonChristian has more truth in it and covers the many aspects of bible teachings far more comprehensively than the nonsensical rantings of faith only Christians.
Christianity is nothing if it's not a code for living and a template for a way to interact with other humans in a morally sound way.
"Belief in Jesus" could mean a range of things, including belief in - or obedience to - His teachings, and living one's life that way, in accordance with Jesus' wishes, wittingly or unwittingly.
If Christianity is only about having to specif ...[text shortened]... thing than that. I think it is about how to live one's life rather than believing in magical things.
In the Kingdom of God, there will be some
- of faith only
- with both faith and works [the elect of God, who will rule with Christ]
- with a death bed repentance [like the thief on the cross]
- with works only
- from east, west, north and south who lived according the Matt 5 teachings
- others of good works who helped the poor and needy per Matt 25
Excluded from the Kingdom of God are all those who defile themselves and continue with a life of sin and evil regardless of their professions of faith. These will be destroyed.
Paul had this to say:
... the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God. (Romans 2:5-11 KJV)
29 Aug 19
@divegeester said"...I don’t believe god burns people alive for not believing in him".
FMF and I have been discussing spirituality and specifically Christianity away from this website for several years now. We are both fully aware of the others beliefs and attitudes relating to the reality of Jesus Christ, the impact of religious belief generally and the potentially deleterious effects that over-absorbing of man-made dogma can have on an individual.
If ...[text shortened]... hat I believe, bearing in mind that I don’t believe god burns people alive for not believing in him.
God doesn't "burn people alive" "for not believing in Him".
That perception is a mischaracterization of what God's Word says relative to the eternal state of those that reject Him. Your understanding is biased by the ignorance of those that promote that conceptualization of the truth of the matter.
Annihilation is not taught by the scriptures. Try to prove it is.