Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think biblical standards are unreasonable here. The onus is too great on homosexuals.
again you may have some justification Conrau, loneliness is a terrible thing, no doubt,
never the less, if one is determined to live by Biblical standards there are simply
certain moral constraints which one must observe and which no amount of justifiable
circumstances can negate. To the moral relativist this presents no problem, to others its ...[text shortened]... actised strict monogamy and fidelity to a single partner it would
not negate this, nor can it.
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Originally posted by Conrau Kyou know Conrau we recently had a discourse at our Kingdom Hall about a brother who
I think biblical standards are unreasonable here. The onus is too great on homosexuals.
was formerly a practising homosexual and he had an epic struggle to over come his
feelings. He would try and succumbed time and again, fell into despair many times.
Yet after many years of prayerful reliance and a desire to live up to Biblical standards,
eventually he did it.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI don't doubt that some gay people are capable of abstinence. Obviously many heterosexual men and women do the same. For my part, I could not. I have no problem with abstinence myself. I am quite happy to forego sexual relations. What I cannot stand is every second of the day having to tell myself that my feelings are perverted. It is exhausting. Perhaps some have the endurance for it. A heterosexual person living in abstinence however does not experience that at all. It is sex, not sexual attraction, that they have to deal with. I don't think 'mandatory celibacy' is a solution at all for same-sex attraction.
you know Conrau we recently had a discourse at our Kingdom Hall about a brother who
was formerly a practising homosexual and he had an epic struggle to over come his
feelings. He would try and succumbed time and again, fell into despair many times.
Yet after many years of prayerful reliance and a desire to live up to Biblical standards,
eventually he did it.
Originally posted by Conrau KThis dude eventually had a family, believe it or not and a happy and fulfilled one at
I don't doubt that some gay people are capable of abstinence. Obviously many heterosexual men and women do the same. For my part, I could not. I have no problem with abstinence myself. I am quite happy to forego sexual relations. What I cannot stand is every second of the day having to tell myself that my feelings are perverted. It is exhausting. Perhaps so ...[text shortened]... deal with. I don't think 'mandatory celibacy' is a solution at all for same-sex attraction.
that. It cannot be healthy to tell yourself that Conrau, I mean it, it sounds like a
burden and a potentially destructive one at that., Perhaps there is an explanation,
hormonal or whatever, not that it matters in reality. As for ladies, believe me mate,
some are like the AK47 Kalashnikov, dressed to kill, straight for the heart with deadly
accuracy.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI am skeptical. Anyway, it is impossible to draw conclusions from a single case. Perhaps he is just an anomoly. Perhaps his homosexuality was transitional or perhaps he is genuinely bisexual. Many gay people however just cannot do that.
This dude eventually had a family, believe it or not and a happy and fulfilled one at
that. It cannot be healthy to tell yourself that Conrau, I mean it, it sounds like a
burden and a potentially destructive one at that., Perhaps there is an explanation,
hormonal or whatever, not that it matters in reality. As for ladies, believe me mate,
s ...[text shortened]... e are like the AK47 Kalashnikov, dressed to kill, straight for the heart with deadly
accuracy.
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Originally posted by Conrau KI will try to find the published article of his struggle, but you take care of yourself in the
I am skeptical. Anyway, it is impossible to draw conclusions from a single case. Perhaps he is just an anomoly. Perhaps his homosexuality was transitional or perhaps he is genuinely bisexual. Many gay people however just cannot do that.
meantime.
(1 John 3:20) . . .as regards whatever our hearts may condemn us in, because God is
greater than our hearts and knows all things.
Originally posted by Conrau KBesides being a health issue, the act is also an abomination to God.
I will just point out that anal sex is not the predominant form of sexual intercourse for gay men. Perhaps on 37% engage in it:
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/10/18/346473/new-study-of-gay-and-bi-mens-sexual-behavior-has-implications-for-health-advocacy/
Presumably Robbie has no issue with homosexual couples provided that they avoid anal sex for health reasons.
Originally posted by Conrau KPut that concentration and passion into the love of God instead.
I am skeptical. Anyway, it is impossible to draw conclusions from a single case. Perhaps he is just an anomoly. Perhaps his homosexuality was transitional or perhaps he is genuinely bisexual. Many gay people however just cannot do that.
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I saw that bro RJH posted so I wanted to read his post and... like moth to flame I guess... I went and read the reaction to what was my final post in this loathesome thread.
My problem is not with homosexual people. I'm no bigot. If this thread was simply about homosexuality and the problems with it among certain religions, we could have some meaningful discussion.
All I said was, I wanted this particular thread moved to a more appropriate forum. Every other post, it seems someone feels the need to describe the joys of taking it in the bum. That's not spirituality. No, not at all.
*provocative closing statement edited out*