1. Melbourne, Australia
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    12 Sep '12 09:381 edit
    Penquin is right. The Bunfight Forum.

    Yeah, call it for what it is, rather than give it that other name, what a mockery. All the fundo Christians' fault, AGAIN. All the posts are going on about "blood" at present as they slug it out over some minor verse near the back flap.

    Sorry, I couldn't resist anymore. Join in and have the bunfight of the year.

    The Bunfight Forum. (Fundo Christians, Atheists, Socialists and furious Buddhist types Only). Bibles, science books and sutras at ten paces.

    No personal abuse allowed. or swearing. No singling people out, that's weak.

    Come On, let's go for it? There's a lot of them fundos here - we'll probably be outnumbered. Are you game?

    I'd somewhat selfishly like to see some good writing here, poetry great quotes, or just tell how you feel as best you can. Remember nasty is not a good argument or a precise stating of how you feel. There are some rules to this bunfight post and I'm the referee! I'll call out when there is a nasty transgression.
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    "We say...to concentrate your mind on something is not the true purpose of Zen. The true purpose is to see things as they are, to observe things as they are, and to let everything go as it goes."

    Shunru Suzuki Roshi

    Even bunfights to see things as they are, letting them go as they go.
    ***


    "...Interestingly, some of the early uses of bun-fight (these days, also often bunfight) borrowed the idea of afternoon tea in the nursery but left out the fighting: it could refer to the most decorous of engagements, such as those one was invited to by elderly aunts of the Wodehousian persuasion, at which squabbling over food was inconceivable. Then, as now, a bun-fight could more generally be any occasion at which food was served, it often being a sarcastic term describing rather formal ones for which guests had to dress up. In 1994, a newspaper report told of a British MP who turned up improperly dressed (in a lounge suit) at an engagement that was described as the “annual bunfight of the Institution of Electrical Engineers, at which black tie and decorations are de rigueur”.
    Another sense of bun-fight, also still with us, borrowed the fight sense but left out the food. Often this refers to a heated altercation, but one that the describing observer feels is of no importance, rather like the nursery squabble that started the expression off."

    http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bun2.htm
  3. Subscribersonhouse
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    12 Sep '12 14:212 edits
    Originally posted by Taoman
    "We say...to concentrate your mind on something is not the true purpose of Zen. The true purpose is to see things as they are, to observe things as they are, and to let everything go as it goes."

    Shunru Suzuki Roshi

    Even bunfights to see things as they are, letting them go as they go.
    ***


    "...Interestingly, some of the early uses of bun-fight ...[text shortened]... y squabble that started the expression off."

    http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bun2.htm
    So it's kind of like that old 'let's you and him fight' thing, eh🙂

    So I'll start off saying all theists are full of crap, nobody knows what real spirituality is anyway since all religions are started by men, mostly men, not women and exclude women from the upper ranks, tells me they are just after power any way they can get it, to hell with real spiritual values as long as we get to stay in power. And more specifically, we at our level of intellectual development, which I think we all agree could be a lot stronger as a race, would not know anything about some advanced being who would set itself up as a god, giving godly advice to some shepherd 3000 years ago, said shepherd wouldn't know a god from a gopher. Therefore all so-called god inspired religions would be suspect from day one. SHOULD be suspect.
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    12 Sep '12 14:261 edit
    Originally posted by Taoman
    "We say...to concentrate your mind on something is not the true purpose of Zen. The true purpose is to see things as they are, to observe things as they are, and to let everything go as it goes."

    Shunru Suzuki Roshi

    Even bunfights to see things as they are, letting them go as they go.
    ***


    "...Interestingly, some of the early uses of bun-fight ...[text shortened]... y squabble that started the expression off."

    http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bun2.htm
    It would be much more cathartic to actually throw some cream or jam filled buns at some of the people you disagree with, rather than having to string sentences together.

    One day as technology advances our holograms could square up in cyberspace with an endless supply of CGI buns.
  5. SubscriberSuzianne
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    12 Sep '12 14:27
    Originally posted by Taoman
    Penquin is right. The Bunfight Forum.

    Yeah, call it for what it is, rather than give it that other name, what a mockery. All the fundo Christians' fault, AGAIN. All the posts are going on about "blood" at present as they slug it out over some minor verse near the back flap.

    Sorry, I couldn't resist anymore. Join in and have the bunfight of the year.
    ...[text shortened]... bunfight post and I'm the referee! I'll call out when there is a nasty transgression.
    ummm, no thanks.

    "so what if the ref is an atheist? we promise it will be fair!"

    just no.
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    12 Sep '12 14:36
    Originally posted by Taoman
    Penquin is right. The Bunfight Forum.

    Yeah, call it for what it is, rather than give it that other name, what a mockery. All the fundo Christians' fault, AGAIN. All the posts are going on about "blood" at present as they slug it out over some minor verse near the back flap.

    Sorry, I couldn't resist anymore. Join in and have the bunfight of the year.
    ...[text shortened]... bunfight post and I'm the referee! I'll call out when there is a nasty transgression.
    First post by you that makes any sense.
    😛
  7. Melbourne, Australia
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    12 Sep '12 23:052 edits
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    ummm, no thanks.

    "so what if the ref is an atheist? we promise it will be fair!"

    just no.
    Awww! I like it when you roar. If anyone insults you personally, I will stand beside you. "Hmmmph! Stay away!" She glares.

    All paths have errors, or is that too much to handle?

    I could tell where I think good fervent rational Christianity has it over the Buddhists sometime if you like.

    Come on, throw a few well aimed buns!
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    13 Sep '12 02:13
    Originally posted by Taoman
    Awww! I like it when you roar. If anyone insults you personally, I will stand beside you. "Hmmmph! Stay away!" She glares.

    All paths have errors, or is that too much to handle?

    I could tell where I think good fervent rational Christianity has it over the Buddhists sometime if you like.

    Come on, throw a few well aimed buns!
    Nope. Just not gonna do it.

    I will say that yes, all paths have errors, but only because we are human. The error is always our own. God, who designed our path, does not make errors. The error comes about when we fail to follow it as designed.
  9. Hmmm . . .
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    13 Sep '12 03:311 edit
    Originally posted by Taoman
    "We say...to concentrate your mind on something is not the true purpose of Zen. The true purpose is to see things as they are, to observe things as they are, and to let everything go as it goes."

    Shunru Suzuki Roshi

    Even bunfights to see things as they are, letting them go as they go.
    ***


    "...Interestingly, some of the early uses of bun-fight ...[text shortened]... y squabble that started the expression off."

    http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bun2.htm
    Damn, I can’t do it! I want to, I really do. Instead, my first bun-jerk response is to commend your Shunryu Suzuki quote. I’m hopeless! I look at a print on my wall by Hakuin of Bodhidharma with his round-eyed, bearded scowl, and I think—he could do it! There’s surely a koan in here somewhere—

    Student: “What is the meaning of Zen, roshi?”

    Roshi: “Bunfight!

    Student: “But—what does ‘bunfight’ mean, roshi?”

    Roshi: [Whacks student on head with stick.]

    ________________________________________________

    A small satori:

    Bunfight! [Big laugh; really, big big laugh here]

    I bow to Taoman! 🙂
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    13 Sep '12 03:46
    Originally posted by divegeester
    First post by you that makes any sense.
    😛
    That's good. You have been a bit stuck. Thought I'd try a new tack. I am pleased.
    Now have you anything of greater significance to say. If not - go.
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    13 Sep '12 03:49
    Originally posted by vistesd
    Damn, I can’t do it! I want to, I really do. Instead, my first bun-jerk response is to commend your Shunryu Suzuki quote. I’m hopeless! I look at a print on my wall by Hakuin of Bodhidharma with his round-eyed, bearded scowl, and I think—he could do it! There’s surely a koan in here somewhere—

    Student: “What is the meaning of Zen, roshi?”

    ...[text shortened]... atori[/i]:

    [b]Bunfight!
    [Big laugh; really, big big laugh here]

    I bow to Taoman! 🙂[/b]
    Great! Laughing too, I bow.
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    Originally posted by kevcvs57
    It would be much more cathartic to actually throw some cream or jam filled buns at some of the people you disagree with, rather than having to string sentences together.

    One day as technology advances our holograms could square up in cyberspace with an endless supply of CGI buns.
    I want to eat them yum
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    13 Sep '12 03:55
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Nope. Just not gonna do it.

    I will say that yes, all paths have errors, but only because we are human. The error is always our own. God, who designed our path, does not make errors. The error comes about when we fail to follow it as designed.
    As the sun dawns, if you are thinking about error or truth, God may yell at you and you will not hear him. Enjoy his sunrises.

    Thank you, Suzianne. Roar occasionally, its good.
  14. Hmmm . . .
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    13 Sep '12 04:181 edit
    Originally posted by Taoman
    Great! Laughing too, I bow.
    Those who are not attuned to our Zen lingo might think I am being facetious. Not! My bow is deep and real—even as I laugh and laugh!

    For those who think that “hardcore Zen” must be more “serious”, I can only say: Bunfight!

    The weight of recent
    unanswerable tragedies
    is dispersed—

    question after question,
    koan after koan
    is shattered,
    in waves of tearful laughter.

    Yes. I bow.
  15. Melbourne, Australia
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    13 Sep '12 04:296 edits
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    So it's kind of like that old 'let's you and him fight' thing, eh🙂

    So I'll start off saying all theists are full of crap, nobody knows what real spirituality is anyway since all religions are started by men, mostly men, not women and exclude women from the upper ranks, tells me they are just after power any way they can get it, to hell with real spiritu ore all so-called god inspired religions would be suspect from day one. SHOULD be suspect.
    Thanks sonhouse. A bit more intense and focussed than "lets' you and me fight thing". Make it matter by being clear and as precise and logical as you can. Be real. What really gets up our noses about fundamentalism?
    So right about the women.
    ***
    The treatment of half the human race, our mothers, our daughters and our sisters as lesser and to be kept in the background and used as objects to adorn and tend to the male needs is another one of the BIG stuff-ups of fundamentalist religions.

    Let's think on the jailing of the courageous Punk musicians "Pussy Riot" by the pseudo-democratic regime of "Rasputin".
    The totally compliant and denying patriarchal Orthodox Church needs to be strongly confronted by its lack of responding to the obvious needs of its majority deprived populous, under a government of corruption and deceit. Instead, like other places, it runs the ceremonies for Rasputin and blesses here and blesses there, and Jesus dies again, while Judas slinks off. They turned away too, while the Jews were persecuted, everytime. What a useless piece of baggage for Jesus to carry around! He'd take the whip to them for their apostasy of his message.

    Who will pray for Pussy Riot in jail?

    Every attempt by women (by even mentioning capability, we are downgrading them immediately) to participate in the leadership of the church has been blocked at every juncture, in every brand. They are the source of "sin"! How off is that!

    Whole denominations (thankfully, not all, and being led by the American churches, three cheers!) are ready to split bigtime over the issue of women in the church. But don't mention greed and devotion to Mammon too much. or other glaring real issues. What a blind tragedy!

    Christian women and nuns, continue to speak up loudly in the name of your Christ! Away with the textual nitpickers and misogynists!

    Oh, to have a female Pope (preferably younger than in their eighties) and some female Cardinals, priests and Protestant ministers of healing and help!

    Please stop degrading "my mother and my sister and my wife".

    Fine, wonderful, educated, powerful, compassionate women - celebrate them, don't reject them or hide them away.

    Joan of Arc, where are you?
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