20 Apr 08
Originally posted by Thequ1ckThat is the point, you either accept God is true and watches over His
And who wrote that?
Word or you don't. Which again is still is God true. God does watch
over His Word He does not watch over ours or the devils to preform
those, if you see a lie so be it, note it and move on.
Kelly
20 Apr 08
Originally posted by KellyJayThat made very little sense to my KellyJay.
That is the point, you either accept God is true and watches over His
Word or you don't. Which again is still is God true. God does watch
over His Word He does not watch over ours or the devils to preform
those, if you see a lie so be it, note it and move on.
Kelly
Are you saying that everyword in the bible is God's word
and true? Or are you saying that there are some lies
in the bible that have been influenced by man and/or the devil?
Please clarify.
22 Apr 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadIt's amazing that the bible is at the core to Christian religion but
Maybe I should have said indisputably lies?
not a single person is able to explain to me how its word can be
trusted.
The bible says that it is a reflection of the word of God but how
do we know this statement to be true when it was written by man?
22 Apr 08
Originally posted by Thequ1ckThey may not have done so, but I am sure they can. The answer is faith. Some Christians are skeptical about it to varying degrees but to be a Christian one must at least have some faith that at least certain parts are either factual or spiritually meaningful. Not everyone who claims to be a Christian believes in the resurrection being factual for example.
It's amazing that the bible is at the core to Christian religion but
not a single person is able to explain to me how its word can be
trusted.
The bible says that it is a reflection of the word of God but how
do we know this statement to be true when it was written by man?
The Bible cannot possibly say that. The Bible did not exist at the time it was written. It says 'scripture' is the word of God. It is up to the reader to decide what 'scripture' is. The writer probably meant the Jewish scriptures (and I doubt that even those are a fixed set) and almost certainly would not have included letters by the saints etc.
But nobody is stupid enough (I hope) to base their belief in the Bible being the word of God on that one verse. They believe it first then use that verse to justify their belief.
22 Apr 08
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Originally posted by twhiteheadThanks Twitehead, that makes some kind of sense in a weird way.
They may not have done so, but I am sure they can. The answer is faith. Some Christians are skeptical about it to varying degrees but to be a Christian one must at least have some faith that at least certain parts are either factual or spiritually meaningful. Not everyone who claims to be a Christian believes in the resurrection being factual for example. of God on that one verse. They believe it first then use that verse to justify their belief.
So it could be said that a new Christian requires 'faith' before he/she
is indoctrined into Christianity? Otherwise their faith is based on the word
of scripture and/or the faith of others, which is not true faith.
How often does this happen I wonder.
What is that emotion called when somebody has faith without knowledge
of religion?
22 Apr 08
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Originally posted by Thequ1ckA significant proportion of Christians - or infact members of any religion - are the children of parents who are members of that religion. They start by believing what their parents tell them which in the case of Christians often includes the claim that the Bible is to be trusted at least in part. Only as the child grows older does he/she begin to question such things.
Thanks Twitehead, that makes some kind of sense in a weird way.
So it could be said that a new Christian requires 'faith' before he/she
is indoctrined into Christianity? Otherwise their faith is based on the word
of scripture and/or the faith of others, which is not true faith.
How often does this happen I wonder.
What is that emotion called when somebody has faith without knowledge
of religion?
I think that for those who become Christian later in life (as well as when children grow up and start to question their parents) there is always far more important reasons for their belief than claims made by the Bible.
I can list a few, but they are hardly exhaustive:
1. Emotional experiences - especially when praying either alone or in groups. These experiences must not be underestimated and have a profound impact on a lot of people.
2. Desire to find meaning in life.
3. Pascals wager or doomsday paranoia as I like to call it. The mistaken belief that if something might be true and the consequences of not believing it or preparing for it are extreme even if the chance of it being true is minuscule then the best bet is to bet on it being true. It is enhanced by the (again mistaken) belief that the consequences of believing it even when it is not true are insignificant.
What is that emotion called when somebody has faith without knowledge of religion?
The vast majority of theists have a remarkable lack of theological knowledge. In fact I often find that although they claim to believe a vast array of things that is stated in their religion or by their church leaders, they are actually agnostic on a lot of issues - even seemingly very important ones.
Also there is remarkable ignorance about the origin of the Bible and events surrounding it. You would probably be shocked to find out how many people believe that the Bible was written by King James himself and all other copies are 'fakes'.
22 Apr 08
Originally posted by Thequ1ckIt is pure all right, pure fantasy.
The bible was written by man, man can be influenced by the devil.
How do we know that the word of bible is pure?
The book of Exodus has no archaelogical evidence. The pyramids were completed centuries before the Hebrews even arrived.
It contains many mistranslations, some deliberate.
Oh yes, Jonah really lived in the belly of a whale for several days.
And that Job fairy tale is a hoot.