10 Sep 18
it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.
it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.
since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
10 Sep 18
Originally posted by @mister-moggyWhy stop there? Why not just bypass the fall altogether?
it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.
it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.
since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
in christian thought the fall was necessary in order for the gift of free will to be exercised. without free will man would be a robot.
heavenly father wanted to feel love so heavenly father created free will so that another entity might choose to love heavenly father.
free will though is subject to another of heavenly father's creation, ego.
lucifer had free will and ego and elevated ego over love of the father.
would man do the same ?
adam was the test.
my original query though still stands
10 Sep 18
Originally posted by @mister-moggySo the issue for you is why the large passage of time.
in christian thought the fall was necessary in order for the gift of free will to be exercised. without free will man would be a robot.
heavenly father wanted to feel love so heavenly father created free will so that another entity might choose to love heavenly father.
free will though is subject to another of heavenly father's creation, ego.
...[text shortened]... ather.
would man do the same ?
adam was the test.
my original query though still stands
To us it's large, not to God.
10 Sep 18
Originally posted by @mister-moggyNot a bad idea, actually.
it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.
it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.
since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
If Jesus had saved Adam and Eve, then all of the later death and destruction handed out by God in the OT would not have been necessary.
11 Sep 18
Originally posted by @mister-moggyBecause then we wouldn't have the story of redemption and all that it entails.
it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.
it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.
since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
There's a much greater picture depicted in the Bible than just man's salvation.
You can read about it in the Bible. Open your mind, and your heart.
13 Sep 18
Originally posted by @mister-moggyIt is an interesting question.
it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.
it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.
since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
The basis for all of this, though, is that Christ does not come solely to provide atonement in the most minimal form.
He came to transform the world and to bring the Graces of God into the world, and that is part of the great sacrifice for the atonement of mankind.
We know from many different Bible passages that salvation, rationality, and God's love extends to people who are beyond the scope of the nation of Israel and who lived in ignorance. While it is far less than ideal to depend on mercy coming from outside of the Covenant, it is not absolutely essential for there to be reconition of the atonement for salvation.
So, one of the answers to your riddle is just viewing Christ's Sacrifice as also something meant to bring graces in addition to salvation.
Generally speaking, in Christianity, the most important thing to remember is that it is meant to always have a holistic understanding of the content, and to not try to isolate single aspects of it and remove it from the framework of the whole.
15 Sep 18
Originally posted by @mister-moggyIf God is sovereign then why have suffering at all?
it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.
it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.
since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
15 Sep 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaWhy are you calling the OP a riddle? It’s not a riddle, is it, so why call it one.
So, one of the answers to your riddle is just viewing Christ's Sacrifice as also something meant to bring graces in addition to salvation.
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15 Sep 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterFree will, tiger. God gave His creation free will.
If God is sovereign then why have suffering at all?
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15 Sep 18
Originally posted by @mister-moggyWho was supposed to write the Holy Bible and memorialize God’s message to mankind?
it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.
it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.
since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterALL of man's suffering is caused by man, not God.
If God is sovereign then why have suffering at all?