1. Standard memberdj2becker
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    05 Oct '17 13:111 edit
    “The depravity of man is at once the most empirically verifiable reality but at the same time the most intellectually resisted fact.” - Malcolm Muggeridge

    This quote came to mind as I was contemplating the latest mass shooting in the US.
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    05 Oct '17 14:461 edit
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    “The depravity of man is at once the most empirically verifiable reality but at the same time the most intellectually resisted fact.” - Malcolm Muggeridge

    This quote came to mind as I was contemplating the latest mass shooting in the US.
    It is indeed a fact that some people are depraved.

    It is not a fact that all of mankind are born in to depravity as a result of the sin of a man (who only existed metaphorically).
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    05 Oct '17 14:59
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    It is indeed a fact that some people are depraved.

    It is not a fact that all of mankind are born in to depravity as a result of the sin of a man (who only existed metaphorically).
    How do you account for the depravity of some people?
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    05 Oct '17 15:011 edit
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    How do you account for the depravity of some people?
    Defects in their socialisation process. Bad genetics. Who knows?

    Look at it this way. Do you think every person alive is capable or minded to commit such atrocities?
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    05 Oct '17 15:411 edit
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Defects in their socialisation process. Bad genetics. Who knows?

    Look at it this way. Do you think every person alive is capable or minded to commit such atrocities?
    The world is full of good decent loving people. They are just not that common in the Christian community, mostly because they are told that doing good works and living righteously is contrary to the Christian faith as it is trying to earn ones salvation and it is an insult to Christ.

    Christians are also told that nobody is righteous or cannot be righteous unless they profess their faith hence their constant negative impression of people in general
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    05 Oct '17 16:15
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    The world is full of good decent loving people. They are just not that common in the Christian community, mostly because they are told that doing good works and living righteously is contrary to the Christian faith as it is trying to earn ones salvation and it is an insult to Christ.

    Christians are also told that nobody is righteous or cannot be righteous unless they profess their faith hence their constant negative impression of people in general[
    And yet most christians are good people. They are in fact just people. 99.9% of christians do not give a fark about what you just said.
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    05 Oct '17 17:091 edit
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    The world is full of good decent loving people. They are just not that common in the Christian community, mostly because they are told that doing good works and living righteously is contrary to the Christian faith as it is trying to earn ones salvation and it is an insult to Christ.

    Christians are also told that nobody is righteous or cannot be righteous unless they profess their faith hence their constant negative impression of people in general
    According to your standards maybe so. But the Bible seems to indicate that God's standards are not ours. Would you for example equate 'looking with lust' to adultery? If the Bible is true we are all adulterers. Would you classify adulterers as good people?
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    05 Oct '17 17:43
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    ... But the Bible seems to indicate that God's standards are not ours. ...
    Thank our lucky stars!
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    05 Oct '17 17:52
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    The world is full of good decent loving people. They are just not that common in the Christian community, mostly because they are told that doing good works and living righteously is contrary to the Christian faith as it is trying to earn ones salvation and it is an insult to Christ.

    Christians are also told that nobody is righteous or cannot be righteous unless they profess their faith hence their constant negative impression of people in general
    Here it comes again. Time to bash Christians.

    It begins with an outright lie.

    ".., mostly because they are told that doing good works and living righteously is contrary to the Christian faith..."

    Then twisting and misrepresenting the truth of God's Word.

    "Christians are also told that nobody is righteous or cannot be righteous unless they profess their faith hence their constant negative impression of people in general"

    Time again for rajk to crawl out of his hole of darkness and attack the church of Jesus Christ.
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    05 Oct '17 17:55
    Originally posted by @apathist
    And yet most christians are good people. They are in fact just people. 99.9% of christians do not give a fark about what you just said.
    Dang! Something to agree about. 😛
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    05 Oct '17 20:44
    Originally posted by @apathist
    Thank our lucky stars!
    Which stars are your "lucky stars" ?
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    06 Oct '17 16:21
    Originally posted by @sonship
    Which stars are your "lucky stars" ?
    Which ones aren't?

    The supernova what sub-atomized earth, I will grant you that one.
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    16 Oct '17 06:34
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    Would you classify adulterers as good people?
    Would you class stamp-collectors as good people?
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    16 Oct '17 06:54
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Would you class stamp-collectors as good people?
    I would have to know their motives before I could decide. What do you think?
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    16 Oct '17 14:05
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    It is indeed a fact that some people are depraved.

    It is not a fact that all of mankind are born in to depravity as a result of the sin of a man (who only existed metaphorically).
    Nonsense. We are all deep down good......except for Trump..........and his supporters............and the GOP..............you get the idea.
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