The depravity of man

Originally posted by @dj2becker
“The depravity of man is at once the most empirically verifiable reality but at the same time the most intellectually resisted fact.” - Malcolm Muggeridge

This quote came to mind as I was contemplating the latest mass shooting in the US.

Do you search for retarded claims, or just for stuff you like? There is nothing about that quote which deserves respect. There is nothing more empirically verifiable than the depravity of man? Nothing resists intellect more? I question his interpretation of every word ever used ever. And you get scooped up with the sludge.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
“The depravity of man is at once the most empirically verifiable reality but at the same time the most intellectually resisted fact.” - Malcolm Muggeridge

This quote came to mind as I was contemplating the latest mass shooting in the US.

The person who made that quote is quite simply wrong. Philosophers have pondered on the "depravity" of man for centuries. Aesop's fables are based on how depraved, selfish, violent or evil men can be. There's no shortage of Greek tragedies where the theme is evil men. Songs and movies about the evils of humanity continue to this day, with no arguing that they're wrong.

Mankind is infamous for it's unkind men.

Originally posted by @apathist
Do you search for retarded claims, or just for stuff you like? There is nothing about that quote which deserves respect. There is nothing more empirically verifiable than the depravity of man? Nothing resists intellect more? I question his interpretation of every word ever used ever. And you get scooped up with the sludge.

Case in point.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Would you classify adulterers as good people?

I would have to know their motives before I could decide. What do you think?

I hope you comprehend my answer.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
I would have to know their motives before I could decide. What do you think?

I hope you comprehend my answer.

If 'good' and 'bad' are merely subjective terms whose definition of 'good' and 'bad' is correct?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If 'good' and 'bad' are merely subjective terms whose definition of 'good' and 'bad' is correct?

Why you asking me?

But if they are subjective terms then surely everyone is correct?

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
Why you asking me?

But if they are subjective terms then surely everyone is correct?

I think we can both agree that certain things are always wrong regardless of what anyone may think. A view that rape is ok is never correct.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Case in point.

Okay, then make your point. How am I a case for your point.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I think we can both agree that certain things are always wrong regardless of what anyone may think. A view that rape is ok is never correct.

Nonsense. One the one hand, what if a mad doctor will destroy the world unless you rape? On the other hand and more realistically, what if classical and pre-classical society would become ruinously inbred if not for rape?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I think we can both agree that certain things are always wrong regardless of what anyone may think. A view that rape is ok is never correct.

Whose definition of "correct"?

Originally posted by @apathist
Nonsense. One the one hand, what if a mad doctor will destroy the world unless you rape? On the other hand and more realistically, what if classical and pre-classical society would become ruinously inbred if not for rape?

So now you are seriously justifying rape?

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
Whose definition of "correct"?

If morality is merely subjective everyones definition is correct regardless of whether or not they disagree, which means even Hitler and Nazi Germany were correct in their own right. Which is obviously hogwash.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If morality is merely subjective everyones definition is correct regardless of whether or not they disagree, which means even Hitler and Nazi Germany were correct in their own right. Which is obviously hogwash.

Unless you can prove that morality isn't subjective it isn't hogwash.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
Unless you can prove that morality isn't subjective it isn't hogwash.

Does anyone need to prove to you that what the Nazis did will always be wrong regardless of who may try to justify it?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Does anyone need to prove to you that what the Nazis did will always be wrong regardless of who may try to justify it?

I believe it was wrong.
The vast majority of people think it was wrong.
But obviously Hitler and others did not.

Your example merely proves the point that morality is subjective.