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Originally posted by @avalanchethecatWhy are you acting dumb all of a sudden? Did you not study history in school?
Off you go again. Who are these 'Nazi's' of whom you speak? Do you mean the entire membership of the Nazi party? And to what specific 'actions' do you refer?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerPrecisely. If there were objective moral laws, these confusions would not arise, would they?
People disagree on morals all the time, if there is no objective moral truth, how do you decide which morals are correct when people contradict each other? Are the majority always right?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhy are you unwilling to specify your terms? If we are to discuss these issues it is obviously a requirement that we agree on the definitions of terms used.
Why are you acting dumb all of a sudden? Did you not study history in school?
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Originally posted by @avalanchethecatIf you do not have an objective standard of morality by which you can determine what is right or wrong, then what gives you the right to make moral judgments upon Nazi Germany or the God of the Bible?
Precisely. If there were objective moral laws, these confusions would not arise, would they?
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Originally posted by @avalanchethecatEveryone knows exactly who the Nazi's were and what atrocities they committed.
Why are you unwilling to specify your terms? If we are to discuss these issues it is obviously a requirement that we agree on the definitions of terms used.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhen you say 'Nazi Germany' do you mean the entire population of the country? Do you mean the entire membership of the party? Do you mean Hitler and the party officials?
If you do not have an objective standard of morality by which you can determine what is right or wrong, then what gives you the right to make moral judgments upon Nazi Germany or the God of the Bible?
It is not I who judges, it is the consensus, through the medium of international law.
The god of the bible is silly, no judgement is required there.
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhich Nazis? (Note, no apostrophe, your use of an apostrophe between the 'i' and the 's' is incorrect). Do you think that all of the members of the Nazi party shared the same views on all moral issues? That is quite a ridiculous position to take.
Everyone knows exactly who the Nazi's were and what atrocities they committed.
Edit: ...and which particular 'atrocities' are you talking about? You need to be specific to discuss these issues.
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Originally posted by @avalanchethecatEveryone associated with the Nazis that allowed the atrocities to occur. If there is no objective moral law by which we can decide what is right and wrong, what makes the current international consensus any more valid that the consensus of the Nazis?
When you say 'Nazi Germany' do you mean the entire population of the country? Do you mean the entire membership of the party? Do you mean Hitler and the party officials?
It is not I who judges, it is the consensus, through the medium of international law.
The god of the bible is silly, no judgement is required there.
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Originally posted by @avalanchethecatEveryone associated with the Nazis that allowed the atrocities to occur. Take the killing of millions of Jews in the gas chambers as an example.
Which Nazis? (Note, no apostrophe, your use of an apostrophe between the 'i' and the 's' is incorrect). Do you think that all of the members of the Nazi party shared the same views on all moral issues? That is quite a ridiculous position to take.
Edit: ...and which particular 'atrocities' are you talking about? You need to be specific to discuss these issues.
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Originally posted by @avalanchethecatThe absurd position is yours my dear feline friend.
Should I consider your failure to respond a capitulation based on a sudden realisation of the absurd nature of your position?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerDo you imagine that everybody who took part in that terrible venture agreed that what they were doing was morally 'right'? When you talk of those who 'allowed' the Holocaust to take place, do you mean those who were actually in a position to do something practical about it? Or do you mean all of those involved? What do you imagine the consequences would be to a guard at Treblinka who refused to follow his orders? What do you imagine would happen to the Kommandant who refused to follow his?
Take the killing of millions of Jews in the gas chambers as an example.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhy do you use the phrase 'my dear feline friend'? Obviously we are not friends, and equally obviously I am not feline. I very much doubt and frankly hope also that I am not dear to you. No. We both know your intent here, and it is simply to troll, as it seems is most of your posting.
The absurd position is yours my dear feline friend.
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Originally posted by @avalanchethecatThe point you seem to be missing dear sir is that if there is no objective moral truth, it means that anything goes. Without some sort of non-relative standard to appeal to, you have no basis for critical moral appraisals of your own culture’s conventions, or for judging one societies morals to be better than another apart from your personal opinions and preferences of course.
Do you imagine that everybody who took part in that terrible venture agreed that what they were doing was morally 'right'? When you talk of those who 'allowed' the Holocaust to take place, do you mean those who were actually in a position to do something practical about it? Or do you mean all of those involved? What do you imagine the consequences w ...[text shortened]... follow his orders? What do you imagine would happen to the Kommandant who refused to follow his?
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Originally posted by @avalanchethecatYou sound very sad. 🙁
Why do you use the phrase 'my dear feline friend'? Obviously we are not friends, and equally obviously I am not feline. I very much doubt and frankly hope also that I am not dear to you. No. We both know your intent here, and it is simply to troll, as it seems is most of your posting.